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Mises U ?

2008-09-27T02:21:00Z

Just curious about Mises U.

I looked into it and it would cost a minimum of $2,650.00 for me to be able to go. As it is now I just can't justify the expediture (I would make a great president wouldn't I?). But I am willing to listen to arguements as to why I ought to go.

Has anyone here been to one as a "member observer"?

I guess what I'm looking for is for someone to give me the sales pitch... So lets hear it!

3rd parties in America and IVR

2008-09-26T07:10:00Z

I wrote this in a response to a question raised about 3rd parties in America.

But there is a solution, I don't expect anyone here to buy into this as a way of saving democracy or justifying it, or any of the above, but at least it may help.

It's the idea of an instant voter run off. you get one fewer votes than there are candidates running for the office. You vote first for the person you would most like to see win, and you have the option of selecting your second favorite candidate to the right.

so my ticket might read

1 2 3 4

McCain ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )

Obama ( ) ( ) ( ) ( )

Hoppe ( x ) ( ) ( ) ( )

Barr ( ) ( ) ( x ) ( )

Paul ( ) ( x ) ( ) ( )

if after the ballots are read and no candidate receives more than 50% of the votes for the 1 column, then the candidate who recieves the fewest # of votes will be dropped and those whose ballots had the least popular candidate ranked first would be read again under the 2nd column. so if Hoppe came in last my vote would be changed to Paul. if there were still no pure majority, the next least popular candidate would be dropped again and the process would repeat.

This would allow people to vote their conscience instead of for the lesser of two evils, and would protect the would be winner from the spoiler effect. It does not fix democracy, but perhaps it is a little better that 51 rule over 49 than 23 rule over 77.

If nothing else it would be a legitimizing tool for getting the message out about Libertarianism and Austrian economics.

one last note. this would be a little tricky when it came to the electoral college, and I don't know how it would play out exactly. supposing this were implemented in all 50 states, we could have a design such that the electors might be recalled and the next most popular candidate would be elected by that state in the event that the candidate initially elected did not get a substantial number of electoral votes from other areas. So that even if Hoppe won Oklahoma straight away, his electors might be recalled in favor of Paul's if Obama is leading Paul 268- 264, Oklahoma would not send Hoppe electors if Paul was voted more popular than Obama. In this case Oklahoma's 6 electoral votes would make difference 270-268.

Again, I'm not claiming that this will fix the world, but it may alleviate some of the pain. And most importantly, as I mentioned before, it would provide people a real incentive to take a good look at the issues, both economical and ethical and that would be the best for us, and for liberty.

(GAY) Marriage.

2008-09-26T04:35:00Z

Before we get into marriage itself. I believe there is something to be said against the current tax code. I am for the tax break granted to married people insofar as the smaller a tax is, the closer it is to being no tax at all, and the better. All citizens should be treated the same. A proper ethic does not say all men (and women) should be robbed equally, but they should not be robbed at all.

Now lets talk about marriage itself. As to whether it is between 2 men, 2 women, one man and several women, or one man and one woman, I find the last to be the only one morally appropriate, But above that I say it is onlyh between adults and their creator, and not between them and government. Government has no role to play in the institution of marriage.

Instead of the gay community pressing for state sanctioning of their marriages, they out to advocate the elimination of the state’s involvement in marriage all together, because it is none of the state’s business. The Christian right should join in this movement but for a different reason, if they are intent upon “preserving” the sanctity of marriage, they ought to call for the abolition of state sanctioned marriages on the grounds that it is not the government, but God who brings two people into holy matrimony.

In either case I find the licensing or non licensing of people to get married by the state to be unconstitutional on the grounds of the right to assemble, and associate, and that is what a marriage is, whether 2 men, 2 women, or 1 of each, it is an association of those people.

Finally, this is not to say that gay marriage is moral, only that it is unethical for anyone to involve themselves in other’s affairs through the force of law, and again ultimately, that it is a greater evil to say that it is the state, and not God, or at best the state, partnered with God, that makes a marriage legitimate. Even with the state out of the marriage business, it may be difficult to find a church to marry two homosexuals. But then, ultimately it might not be an issue, if the state recognizes two people living together for 6 months as common law marriage, they ought to recognize just about any marriage.

Homosexual marriages should pose no threat to the true believer, if they believe that it is only God who sanctions marriages; what difference should it make to them what the state acknowledges as a marriage (which would be necessary in the case of divorce, and dispute settlements)?

From both the religious right and the gay community there should be a call for the separation of the state from marriage.

LvMI at Cameron University in Lawton, Oklahoma

2008-09-10T03:33:00Z

We have just started working to establish a student LvMI at Cameron University. it should be official by sept 11th, Mises's birthday.

The Leadership institute has been very helpfull in helping us become established.

Donating to The Mises Institute just Became Easier, and Less Expensive!

2008-06-16T05:21:00Z

Microsoft, in order to compete with the almighty google search engine has set up a charity of sorts, or rather a way to donate to the charity you choose. The best part is, you can choose the Mises Institue! just go to www.searchandgive.com its pretty easy to sign up, you'll want to look for Ludwig von Mises Institue under charities. and from then on, everytime you click the search button, microsoft will donate $0.01 to the Mises Institute (up to $5.00 a month)! Not a whole lot sure, but if you're going to use a search engine, this might be enough to switch over to www.search and give. thats a potential for $60.00 a year to the Mises Institue per person!

The Immaculate state

2008-05-06T13:47:00Z

Robert Nozick's conception of the immaculate state was more or less demolished by Murray Rothbard's Chapter regarding Nozick's book in The Ethics of Liberty. Of his most damaging critizisms is to point out that the most dominant police force just becomes a bully and has no legitimate claim to power over those who have not subscribed to it. Rothbard also points out there is no explanation of how a democratic process would arise.

I think I have a solution. incorperating in part the drop dead principal described by Rothbard, and a few economic observations. For one, a police force does not add anything to society, it merely attempts to keep things as they are, but in reality makes things worse off. If it were not for the criminal, and were not for the police force, we would all be better off... If they both dropped dead.

Furthermore the basics of policing are simple enough, in its infancy it does not require any special skill or talent, and may require less from a man being on a squad defending the community as a whole, than as an individual defending himself, given the stregth in numbers in each case.

Essentially there is no justification for profit in the justice system. If one man or a minority of men seek to establish a police force for the defense of the community and have the community pay for it, profiting from it. The citizens would be much more inclined to form their own company as shareholders, each contributing however much they agree too, and owning that percentage of the police force, lets say Liberty City 1787. There may even be a sense of economic proportion, so that those who have more worth being defended would pay more, and own a greater share than those who own little and have little that needs protecting. One can now raise the question of the individual who does not want to participate. and to this there are two solutions. one if for the labouror who doesn't want to pay for whatever reason, in this case it is likely that the farmer who employees him needs his services and is willing to pay the worker's part in order to secure the worker's service. In the case of the business man who does not want to pay, it is more likely that the other members of society would charge this individual a fractional amount more for their services, so that the blacksmith who doesn't volunteer to pay would be charged extra by the cloth maker, the store keeper, the brick mason etc. and that that extra money collected by each would go to pay for the blacksmith's share of production, of course this is a last resort, chances are that if he got the raw end of just a few transactions he would agree to pay his share, and that if not the town would begin doing business with a competitor who was willing to pay his share voluntarily. Furhter more, economics aside there are the social aspects to consider, what will the majority of men think of another who is not willing to contribute to the communities protection? will he not be invited to dinner parties,get togethers, will a boy whose family wont contribute to the overall protection make friends, or be rejected by girls?

And then the question to raise is would any of these measures constitute coercion? I think not. for it is just free individuals doing as they see fit.

Again realize that the cost of protection in its infancy would produce little or no cost. It would be the Night Watchman State in its truest form. this night watchmen may very well be one of the poorer citizens, whose being on duty 1 night a week is his fair share. and that the gun he uses is provided by the gun smith, and that is the gun smith's fair share of contribution.

The shareholder's then of the Liberty City policeforce would vote on the specifics of its business, and determine the specifics of the laws, the penalties, how and who would take turns as judges in the various trials, and how jurors would be elected to serve. The important thing to remember is that there is no profit involved. there is no incentive for one person to share his shares in the company to someone else. any money that might be collected through fines would only go toward costs. and therefore translate into savings at another time.

In regards to defense as well it is easy to see how the same Liberty City Defense company would also have an interest in defending themselves from outsiders who might come in to do them harm. and thus Both Justice has been established, and the common defense provided for.

I dont think it takes much imagination to see how this could evolve from the shareholder state to one a little more familiar to to what we have today. Not that there isn't a distinction between the two in regards to legitimacy.

DEO VINDICE.

hourly wages.

2008-05-05T16:33:00Z

what did Mises have to say about the hourly wage (in comparision to the piecemeal wage)?

Letter to the Editor.

2008-05-03T12:41:00Z

We are 6 months out from the election now. As far as I am aware this is the first time that all the candidates going into a general election have already had a book published. Mcain even has 3 or 4. If it were not for the awareness of the political goals and manipulation of the authors, I would be greatly incouraged. but they are little more than talking pieces to go on with Oprah. There is one candidate who stands out. Ron Paul whom I still support. His book, which just came out last month talks more about the ideas that have influenced his life, than himself. I suppose one could say this is only natural since Ron Pauls political carreer is coming to a close while Obama, Clinton, and even McCain are just moving up. but its more than that. of Course the mainstream candidates talk about issues in their books. but not about ideas. The difference between Paul and the rest of the field is that Paul has an overall consistency and methodology seeing how action in one area will affect other areas, while the other candidates do not have this depth, seeking only the greater good for the greater number on a case by case basis. And without an accurate overview of the whole the good intentions will bring more problems than solutions. But the greatest difference, what is most inspiring and at the same time depressing is found on page 169 of Ron Paul's book, while it is found nowhere in the books of our top 3 candidates, nor in the books of a number of other so political heavy weights from both sides of the isle not to exclude Bill O'reily and Howard Dean. What I am talking about is what Ron Paul titled in his book as, " A Reading List for a Free and Prosperous America." Here Paul lists more than 40 authors and about 50 different books. everything from the Little Known works of Murray Rothbard to the famous yet little read work of Alexis TocQueville. ideology and political world views aside, Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate who is really concerned with education, who wants to see a more educated and literary citizenry. he even recommends Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand including a note about her writtings, " I consider all of Rand's novels worth reading, in spite of my strong disagreements with her on important matters." Paul desires for Americans to be well educated concerning Liberty, Government, and political theory. Clinton, Obama, and McCain only desire to convience the special intrests groups that they will be better off if they only choose them. Ron Paul won't win this election and I know that, but it clears my consciounce and even makes me feel better to vote for a man who is genuinly concerned witht the intellectual state of its citizens, who actively seeks for the betterment of America as a whole, but more importantly, one American at a time, and placing the charge on the individual to read and to educate themselves. Jesus is my shepard, my president should be a leader.

Taxes. Previously titled "Slavery"

2008-03-23T07:13:00Z

Special intro for mises.org readers:

This may not be the most enlightening thing for anyone who may chance across on a site such as this, and it was not written for you. It was written for the common man in the world above. who has not had his eyes opened to reality. For the so called "patriots" who pay taxes as a cheerful duty, and who think there is no other way. It does assume that government is necessary, but again, for those of you who want no government you must join with those of us who want a government that barely escapes being a government at all. the idea of immediate emancipation is irrational. first the monster must be starved, shrunk down to size and then slain... if that is your goal. So focus on the things that you agree with and pick up on the tactics of this arguement. I believe it is one that will see the way to a smaller more just government in my eyes, and when that day comes I look forward to a debate with the anarchists over the debate with the socialist.

preface,
the following may not be the most eloquent or stylish expression of ideas, but the ideas are inspired from the last 2 centuries greatest minds and I believe God himself. saying this puts all the more pressure on me for the following to be smooth and flawless on the technical side. But I have finally caved and conceded to the fact that I am not a good enough writer to do the ideas justice, but the weight of the idea is such that it must be brought fourth no matter the degree of quality of expression is lacking.

PART I
Writing in 2008, it is easy to find people who are absolutely opposed to slavery, but I have not had such luck finding people who are opposed to 50% slavery, or 35% slavery, or even 10% slavery. The concept of slavery is that man “A” works, and the fruits of his labor are taken against his will by man “B.” Does it matter if only half of his fruits are taken, or maybe only a fifth? Would there be an abolition movement today if slavery only existed on one day of the week, while the remainder of the week slaves were free to leave the farms and plantations and work for themselves?
I know it is coming, so let me put to rest the socialist complaint of our current system right now. The socialist would complain about the capitalist system where a man works for a company producing $2,000 dollars of profit but only getting $700 in his paycheck. The socialist might complain that this is partial (or fractional, if you will) slavery, but I must point out that it is not, because chains are necessary for slavery. Under the capitalist system there is no force compelling man “A” to work for man “B,“ nor is there a law fixing the price for which man “A” must work -- except for the current minimum wage laws. “A” is free to work for “B” and can quit at anytime under most circumstances to work for “C,” unless there is a contract stating otherwise.
A more accurate way of looking at the employer-employee relationship is to see it as a partnership. The employer provides the business plan and the means of production and whatever other details are necessary, and the employee provides the labor. If I were better at math I’m sure I would be able to find some kind of 10/90 or 15/85 split in the business between the employee and employer, where each is able to terminate the partnership at will.

Under a slave system the servant is not at liberty to quit or to negotiate the split of the profit. There is coercion and a threat of violence in slavery. With 100% slavery, the slave must work and produce, and the master will take all the profits. In a 50% slave system there is coercion to force the slave to give 50% of his production to the master. In either case the slave has no choice, but must yield to the demands of the master or else face punishment.
Now we must come to the question as to whether or not a man who is coerced into working for free for the master only on Monday is really a slave or not. If not, where is the line drawn? If he is forced to work for the master Monday and Tuesday, would that count as slavery? And if not, can it be considered freedom in either case? Where shall the line between freedom and slavery be drawn? I am of the school of thought that if a man is not 100% free (allowed to act without coercion), then he is a slave.
But can slavery actually be justified? Would it be acceptable to own a slave and to say to him, “You will give me all you earn from Monday’s work each week and keep the rest when the profits from Tuesday through Friday’s labors are enough to provide you with a mansion, luxuries, and comforts equal to or surpassing mine.”? For a person to nod in agreement is to not oppose slavery at all as an institution, but to only oppose the condition of a slave. Thus it would also be fine to hold a slave in bondage all week long so long as his material condition were at some acceptable level. I would have to disagree. I do not put such high and weighty value on material possessions, but in the spirit and in the freedom to choose. Even if the slave has a mansion and all the latest technologies and greatest comforts of the age, it is not acceptable that his will be negated or that his labor or wages be confiscated. Under a “Monday Only” slave system the slave is unable to keep that profit made on Monday. If he is sick Monday and unable to work, his labor will be confiscated from the following day’s work whether the slave wants to give those profits up or not.
I have been flirting with, and will now discuss, the old defense of the brutish institute of slavery. The defenders of the institution would defend slavery on the grounds that the slave was better off as a slave than as a free man. They would say that the master provides the slave with the necessities of everyday life (food, clothing, shelter, basic medical care, etc.), and if the slave were free he would not be able to provide those things independent of his master. If a reader is only interested in the end condition of the slave he might come to the same conclusion and agree that slavery is justified. He would certainly have to agree that “Monday Only” slavery, where the labor and production of a man is bound and confiscated for the first day of the week, but the production of the slave the other four days is enough to provide him with all those aforementioned luxuries, is justifiable and even preferable to no slavery where the man’s labor is never confiscated, but is only enough to give him a humble means of existence.
As I have said above, I cannot support these ideas and all I can say to those who do is that they have an inflated value of material well being and a deficiency in regards to the value of free choice. As far as I am concerned, it is not the hard work involved in picking cotton, or the deplorable conditions that slaves endured in the 19th century, but the confiscation of their labor and deprivation of the choice to do with that labor what they would like that is the evil of slavery. It would make no difference to me if a slave were put up in the best hotel in Las Vegas and required to count the stitches in the carpet and then given access to the best spa at the end of the day, it would be slavery nonetheless and equally as wrong.
It is for this reason that I oppose the Income Tax System and look forward to the day when a man’s wages are his own to do with as he sees fit. The income tax is the reincarnation of slavery, though it may only be “Monday Slavery” or “All of January and Half of February Slavery,” it is slavery nevertheless. The income tax is the most direct form of slavery in America today, as it directly takes away a person’s labor against his will. This should be abolished.
It is not only morally wrong, but also a form of slavery to take a man’s paycheck by force, never mind taking it before he even has it in his hand. Money is labor. No matter how it is reduced, some sort of physical activity had to be done to produce an income. It is a very direct conversion for most of us; we work and, in exchange for that work, we are paid money. But even for the landlord or the heir, money is still backed by labor -- no one gets rent property for nothing, it must be bought. It is bought with money that was earned through labor, either that or was given as a gift or in the will of a relative. In either case, labor is being confiscated. I can not say for sure because I am not in the position to know, but it would seem that it is less painful when the labor confiscated is removed through the years in the case of the landlord or through the labor of a parent, but it is still confiscation and, though it is not direct, it is enslavement. However, there is another reason to do away with the income tax in the case of wealthy business owners and landlords; people are both smart and inclined to make more rather than less money. In the case of a landlord, for example, the landlord does not pay taxes, but becomes a tax collector; raising the price of rent and adding “taxes” into his expense list to be covered by the renter just as he would “new carpet” or a “new door.” The same principal can be applied to corporate income tax, where the expense of the tax, like all business expenses, is passed on to the consumer.
Indeed, all taxation is the coercive deprivation of labor, whether it is the income tax or more subtle forms of partial slavery like the sales tax, property tax, tariffs, or others. But my superior moral fiber only extends so far, and being human, there is a hint of despotism in me. Government, though it is evil, is necessary, and must be funded. This funding is going to come from taxation. Therefore, while fractional slavery is condemnable on moral grounds, it can be justified at a very limited level, to provide those functions that, it could be said, could not be adequately provided for by the private sector. (Such as roads, emergency services, and defense.)
Due to both the necessity of taxation to fund our government and the nature of taxation itself, we should be very stringent with our government’s fiscal policy. Though we might like the idea of government undertaking an action which we may believe will have a positive impact on society, we should keep in mind that it takes funding and that the funding will not come from only those who support that particular action of government, but also coercively from those who do not support that action.
When we vote for government functions that are not absolutely essential and that private enterprises could, if given half the chance, handle sufficiently, we are subjecting our fellow citizens to unnecessary confiscation of their labor and fractional slavery. It is also imperative to realize that our fellow citizens may, in turn, use this as license to commit the very same atrocity to us somewhere down the line, for the sake of "providing" for society.

A tenate of Liberty

2008-03-23T06:52:00Z

this is a response to one of my more moderate friends in a private message. I thought it to be worthy of general publication, so here is a short excerpt.

One of the main tenants of my philosophy is that we do not have positive rights but only negative rights. Not the right to have food, medicine or shelter, but the right not to be assaulted, murdered, robbed, trespassed against or kidnapped and confined. these restrictions are not just restrictions against other individuals like the common criminal, but also the state. the state can not rob me of my gun (2nd amendment) they can not imprison me for something I have written or said, or for my religious convictions or who I choose to keep company with (1st amendment) they can not invade my home to house soldiers (3rd amendment) nor can they tresspass or steal things from me (4th amendment [without warrant] ) and so on... but whether I eat or not, that is more or less up to me, and the tender hearts of my neighbors family and friends.

test blog.

2008-03-23T06:19:00Z

just a test to see if I can still post.

Tu Ne Cede Malis

Deo Vindice

Sic Semper Tyrannus

FDA approves cloned beef, pork, and poultry, will not require labeling of cloned foods.

2008-01-17T17:23:00Z

The FDA, an illegal federal administration according to the Constitution and by all accounts an unnecessary function of government, has decided to allow cloned meats to be marketed to the public. But what has all the anchor men shook up and, from what they say the public shook up, is that the FDA won’t require labeling on the cloned meat. What a crime!

But this isn’t a problem for a free market. So what if the cloned meat isn’t labeled? If there is public concern, even if there isn’t, Its very likely that one company or another, say Tyson will start to label their natural, non cloned meat. Problem solved. Its wrong for the government to even pretend to be able to determine what is safe or unsafe for individual consumption, I think I can figure that out for myself. But even at this stage, its unnecessary for the government to require labeling. The natural meat producers will take care of it.

the minarchist party... the anarcho-capitalist party... maybe even the Mises party... coming soon.

2007-12-08T09:12:00Z

okay here's the idea.

political candidates can loose elections because of the 3rd party split vote. thus hurting the statesman and his constituency. it further hinders the constituency by the realization of the 2 party system, induce the populace to vote for the "winner" and not vote their conscience. or there is a dileama, either they vote their conscience and most likely end up with their last choice winning the seat, or they can vote forsake their first choice and settle for their 2nd choice. either option is not good.

here is the solution. to iplement a multiple cho

ce ballot system. in which the voter makes one fewer choice than there are people running for office. he votes for his first choice, his second, 3rd and so on. when the votes are counted, it is the votes of everyone's first choice that are counted. if a candidate recieves 50.01 percent of the vote, that is the end of the process. but if 50.01 percent is recieved by none of the candidates. the candidate with the lowest percentage of votes will be dropped. the ballots cast for him will be reread with the machine set to read the second choice, the machine will be set to read the second choice and the machine will also be set to only read the 2nd choice on those ballots where the first vote is for the most unpopular candidate.
if this results in a candidate getting 50.01% then its over, if not the next candidate with the least number of popular votes will be dropped and the ballots with him as first choice will be run through as aforementioned. also if any voter had voted first for the least popular canidate as his first choice, and the 2nd least popular candidate as his 2nd choice, his ballot would also be reread for his third choice.
again if this results in a candidate receiving 50.01% of the vote then its over. if not. the next candidate with the fewest votes is dropped. the ballots that chose him for #1 have their #2 counted, if that #2 was either of the previous candidates who had been dropped off, it ballot would be read at #3 or 4 if the #3 had been dropped. for anyone's whose 2nd or 3rd choice had been cast for this unpopular candidate, their ballot would be read as the # 3 or #4.
if this results in a candidate winning 50.01% of the vote then it is over. if not the pattern is repeated.

This will protect politicians from the 3rd party spoiler, it will also protect voters from having to choose between the lesser of 2 evils as they see it, or having to vote their conscience at the risk of seeing their last choice win the election.
most importantly it will stir debate and ensure that elected officials will be elected by a true majority, and not just a plurality.

Minarchism.

2007-11-30T08:01:00Z

This is a reply to the brain police's article "Minarchis: Ethically Self-contradictory" It just wouldn't be fair to leave a 3 page comment. so here it is. I'm pretty new to a real debate about anarchist so if I mis represent any ideas please let me know. again here is a link to the article I'm responding to...

http://mises.com/blogs/brainpolice/archive/2007/11/27/minarchism-ethically-self-contradictary.aspx

I'm not an anarchist, and not even a sympathizer, but I can nod my head at a point or two unlike a writing by a socialist or neo-con.

    But lets get a few things straight. the analogy you present at the beginning is wholly ill-representing the min-archist's ideas. It is not that we are simply robbed, but given a valuable service and then being robbed. I think there is a wide range of disagreement on just how valuable these services are, but even you, by expecting the service to one day be carried out by private companies. would anyone really abstain from receiving emergency assistance? or justice after being assaulted?
The second complaint you might have; is that under our current system people who do not pay for a service reap its benefits. And that is natural, I would not pay for the internet if someone else would pay for it and I could get it for free. but remember that in business a owner can charge a dollar for you to have a cup of coffee and give the same coffee away for free. Now a person does not go into business in a field simply for money, at least not always. most doctors and surgeons really do want to help people. and I believe if justice were privatized it would be dispensed to many who could not, or had unwisely decided not to pay. this idea is compounded by the fact that a person who burglarizes me one day, would be much more likely to burglarize you tomorrow! and so it would be in a company's interests to catch a bad guy whenever possible regardless as to whether the victim is a customer or not. My point here is that the only real differences between the min-archist and the anarchist is that those individuals who are really concerned with crime and justice would pay more and those who are not as interested or don't have the money would not pay at all instead of just a little bitty bit. In essences the result would be the same as donations.

    I can let the tariffs slide! tariffs are an end around sales tax. It is the same as the corporate income tax or contractor paying income tax. its a joke. any smart business man, whether a contractor, corporate CEO or exporter is going to be smart enough to pass on his costs to the consumer. a cabinet builder doesn't buy the lumber, the consumer does, so it is with Income tax and tariffs.
On the other side, I have often time jewed a store owner to lower his price so that after the sales tax is added on It is the same as the original asking price.

    Now lets talk about monopolies. if there were two companies in the business of “law” enforcement. How would there be real competition? Would they try to drive one another out of business? And if so how? Would the Loomis Fargo company kidnap criminals out of the hands of the Pinkerton police company? I don’t think so, again people do things because they enjoy it and believe in it. And therefore would work hard and try to increase efficiency in keeping people safe. In every situation I believe there would be a merger. And this might get scary, if the CEO expands his business across an entire region or even the country, did we just trade democracy for anarchy for a dictatorship?

    Another Basic question is who keeps the police in check? This idea of loosly organized non government protection is basically how gangs started. But then they did whatever they want? If the Bloods were around still but we did away with the government... well I see a way out of it through force, public uprising and violence. But wouldn’t you rather not have to go through all that?
Finally there is the issue of the customer. Lets talk about marginal returns. If the criminal company is doing a good job on all counts except I don’t think he is punishing arsonist harshly enough it is very unlikely that I could Start up another company and compete against the one already established. It might very well be that a lot of people feel the same way as I do. But, Pinkerton gets it right 95% of the time, so who wants to raise a fuss over 5%. They would prefer that be handled too, but it isn’t that big of a deal, people have other things to worry about, and no one is so concerned to invest the time and money, and giving up their current occupation to start up and run a competing company. But! Through a representative government, a Judge can be deposed relatively easily and you can even run as a judge. So through a government. Everyone has a better say in how the necessities of life are carried out.

    Lastly. The Anarchist is not going to get anywhere with abolition of the government. As of now the Min Archist and the Anarchist are fighting the same battle. It seems like 20% of people in America are working for the government in one way or another. Maybe more if we talk about the contractors sub contractors and the people who make money by selling to them. Eat an elephant one bite at a time. Fight socialism and big government by voting for small government. And once it is small and only a few people work for the government and it is feasible for the government’s job to be taken over by companies... then we can really have a debate and get into the nitty gritty. Until then to talk about anarchy is just whistlin’ in the wind.