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<?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="http://mises.org/Community/utility/FeedStylesheets/atom.xsl" media="screen"?><feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xml:lang="en"><title type="html">Back to the Drawing Board</title><subtitle type="html">Building an ethics on the foundation of respect and accountability.</subtitle><id>http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/atom.aspx</id><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/default.aspx" /><link rel="self" type="application/atom+xml" href="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/atom.aspx" /><generator uri="http://communityserver.org" version="4.1.31106.3070">Community Server</generator><updated>2008-05-05T17:40:00Z</updated><entry><title>On Desert and the Glass Ceiling</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/09/17/on-desert-and-the-glass-ceiling.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/09/17/on-desert-and-the-glass-ceiling.aspx</id><published>2008-09-18T03:03:00Z</published><updated>2008-09-18T03:03:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;So I&amp;#39;ve been thinking a little about &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/08/away-from-distributive-justice-towards.html"&gt;Hayek&amp;#39;s point&lt;/a&gt;
that there&amp;#39;s nothing about an overall state of affairs which arises
from the decentralized actions of individuals in a market economy which
could coherently be an &amp;quot;injustice.&amp;quot; As I had said, I agree with Hayek,
and I&amp;#39;ve been accordingly trying to think of a way to understand the
concept of distributive justice in other terms. But on page 49 of his
book, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Elements of Justice&lt;/span&gt;, David Schmidtz raises an interesting point in discussing the idea of &amp;quot;desert&amp;quot;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;...there
is something slightly misleading, or at best incomplete, in assessing a
society by asking whether people get what they deserve. If desert
matters, then often a better question is, do people &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;do something to deserve&lt;/span&gt; what they get?  Do opportunities go to people who will do something to be worthy of them?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It
seems to me that while there&amp;#39;s something very intuitive about this
point, there&amp;#39;s a tension to be acknowledged. To flesh out Schmidtz&amp;#39;s
point, he offers on page 46 that &amp;quot;A person who receives opportunity X
at &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;t1&lt;/span&gt; can be deserving at &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;t2&lt;/span&gt;
because of what she did when given a chance.&amp;quot; The idea here, then,
seems to be that if a person does justice to the opportunity that she&amp;#39;s
given in the period between &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;t1&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;t2&lt;/span&gt;, then she proves that she deserved it at &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;t1&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
while I think that the above may be a necessary condition for desert,
I&amp;#39;m not sure if it&amp;#39;s sufficient. What I have in mind is the interview
where a man and a woman are being considered for a job. We might
imagine that both would, if given the chance, do justice to the
opportunity they were given: both are fully competent to do the job,
and both would work hard at it. We might further say that both would
likely succeed. But let&amp;#39;s say that the woman candidate was better
qualified for the job than the man, and it was simply a matter of
prejudice on the part of the prospective employer which led him to
choose the man. Even though the man would end up doing justice to the
opportunity, I still think there&amp;#39;s a sense in which we can say that he
didn&amp;#39;t really deserve the job, and that the woman did.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wouldn&amp;#39;t want to say that the man in the above example is entirely &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;undeserving&lt;/span&gt;
of the job. For his part, he did everything that we would have wanted
him to do. But there is, I think, a sense in which he will have gotten
something that he didn&amp;#39;t deserve, even if he did everything he could to
do justice to the opportunity he got. I definitely need to think about
this some more, but it&amp;#39;s a start.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Update:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Incidentally,
Schmidtz makes more or less the same point in the next chapter in
discussing whether a person who does not deserve an opportunity can
still do justice to it. Sorry, Dr. Schmidtz! This seems to be a common
theme...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The one thing that I think can be preserved from this
post is the idea that something needs to be said about the person who
is deprived of an opportunity that she &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;did&lt;/span&gt; deserve because someone else got an opportunity he &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;didn&amp;#39;t&lt;/span&gt;
deserve, even though the latter did justice to the opportunity once he
got it, and therefore has &amp;quot;done all anyone could ask,&amp;quot; to put it as
Schmidtz does on page 52. Something...but I&amp;#39;m not sure what.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=52144" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Equality" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx" /><category term="Opportunity" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Opportunity/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>Away From Distributive Justice, Towards Collective Responsibility</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/30/away-from-distributive-justice-towards-collective-responsibility.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/30/away-from-distributive-justice-towards-collective-responsibility.aspx</id><published>2008-08-30T06:52:00Z</published><updated>2008-08-30T06:52:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;
Here&amp;#39;s another cool Hayek quote, from chapter 5 of his &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;New Studies in Philosophy, Politics, Economics and the History of Ideas&lt;/span&gt;, entitled &amp;quot;The Atavism of Social Justice&amp;quot;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...there
can be no distributive justice where no one distributes. Justice has
meaning only as a rule of human conduct, and no conceivable rules for
the conduct of individuals supplying each other with goods and services
in a market economy would produce a distribution which could be
meaningfully described as just or unjust. Individuals might conduct
themselves as justly as possible, but as the results for separate
individuals would be neither intended nor foreseeable by others, the
resulting state of affairs could neither be called just nor unjust&amp;quot;
(58).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been arguing basically that point of view
for a while, and this is far from the first time I&amp;#39;ve heard it
articulated by someone else, but I really like the way Hayek put it
here. But it also got me thinking. Hayek does use as support for his
argument the fact that the results of the market process are not
foreseeable. And it does seem to me that a great many people see
certain regrettable outcomes of the market process as quite foreseeable
enough to dodge this argument. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&amp;quot;Perhaps the precise outcomes
of the process are not foreseeable,&amp;quot; someone might argue, &amp;quot;but we can
easily foresee that certain things will likely occur, like the
occasional occurrence of instances of extreme need. Even if, as a
society, we think ourselves justified in &amp;#39;playing the game&amp;#39; of
catallaxy (as Hayek puts it on page 60 and later throughout the essay),
we nevertheless might be able to point to certain predictable and
regrettable outcomes of that game and demand that they be &amp;#39;cleaned up.&amp;#39;
It&amp;#39;s on those grounds that I claim that we have some sort of obligation
to ensure that no one is left behind &amp;#39;by&amp;#39; our playing the game of
catallaxy. I cannot articulate, necessarily, exactly what that
obligation entails, or what is its nature, but to deny the existence of
any such obligation seems simply wrong.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that would be a
pretty fair line of attack, and I think it deserves an answer. I&amp;#39;m not
sure what I&amp;#39;ll find, but the question seems to become one which is
perfectly tractable within my notion of rights and duties. So I pose
for myself the following questions: Do we have a duty to help those in
desperate need, either collective or individual? How might we
understand such a duty, and what would it entail?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;ll be working on an answer to those questions over the coming months.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=49490" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Equality" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Equality/default.aspx" /><category term="Economics" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx" /><category term="Collective Duties" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Collective+Duties/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>Law and the Knowledge Problem, a First Glance</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/28/law-and-the-knowledge-problem-a-first-glance.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/28/law-and-the-knowledge-problem-a-first-glance.aspx</id><published>2008-08-29T02:05:00Z</published><updated>2008-08-29T02:05:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Update at the bottom of the post&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here&amp;#39;s an interesting quote from Hayek&amp;#39;s essay, &amp;quot;The Results of Human Action but not of Human Design,&amp;quot; from his book, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Studies in Philosophy, Politics and Economics&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...the
natural law concept against which modern jurisprudence reacted was the
perverted rationalist conception which interpreted the law of nature as
the deductive constructions of &amp;#39;natural reason&amp;#39; rather than as the
undesigned outcome of a process of growth in which the test of what is
justice was not anybody&amp;#39;s arbitrary will but compatibility with a whole
system of inherited but partly inarticulated rules&amp;quot; (101).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This
does seem like a relatively accurate positive assessment of how law has
evolved over time. But it does beg the question, then, of whether or
not a centralized attempt to administer justice, which would rely on
some understanding of what people will accept as just, would be akin to
trying to plan an economy. The idea, in other words, is that if our
recognition of justice relies on a partly inarticulated set of
internalized rules, and those rules change over time and are sometimes
contradictory, then the acceptability of any legal judgment will be in
some some sense bound to the circumstances in which that attribution
was made, and will &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;necessarily&lt;/span&gt;
fail to reflect the unanimous will of the people. If that&amp;#39;s true, then
it would seem almost impossible to determine what would be the proper
standard of justice within a society at any given time, and so would be
impossible to administer justice &amp;quot;properly&amp;quot; in much the same way as
it&amp;#39;s impossible to allocate resources &amp;quot;properly&amp;quot; through a centralized
method of planning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To make my case, I&amp;#39;ll draw on a number of
different quotes which I think paint a better picture of the issue than
I might be able to do myself (especially given the &amp;quot;reason as I go&amp;quot;
approach that generally characterizes these posts). First, from the
beginning of David Schmidtz&amp;#39;s book, &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Elements of Justice&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;I
have become a pluralist, but there are many pluralisms. I focus not on
concentric &amp;quot;spheres&amp;quot; of local, national, and international justice nor
on how different cultures foster different intuitions, but on the
variety of contexts we experience every day, calling in turn for
principles of desert, reciprocity, equality, and need. I try to some
extent to knit these four elements together, showing how they make room
for each other and define each other&amp;#39;s limits, but not at the cost of
twisting them to make them appear to fit together better than they
really do. Would a more elegant theory reduce the multiplicity of
elements to one?&amp;quot; (4).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I jump over to the beginning of Rawls&amp;#39; &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Justice as Fairness: A Restatement&lt;/span&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...I
believe that a democratic society is not and cannot be a community,
where by a community I mean a body of persons united in affirming the
same comprehensive, or partly comprehensive doctrine. The fact of
reasonable pluralism which characterizes a society with free
institutions makes this impossible. This is the fact of profound and
irreconcilable differences in citizens&amp;#39; reasonable comprehensive
religious and philosophical conceptions of the world, and in their
views of the moral and aesthetic values to be sought in human life&amp;quot; (3).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And with that, I jump back to Schmidtz, a few pages later:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;In
effect, there are two ways to agree: We agree on what is correct, or on
who has jurisdiction - who gets to decide. Freedom of religion took the
latter form; we learned to be liberals in matters of religion, reaching
consensus not on what to believe but on who gets to decide. So too with
freedom of speech. Isn&amp;#39;t it odd that our greatest successes in learning
how to live together stem from agreeing on what is correct but from
agreeing to let people decide for themselves?&amp;quot; (6).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And back to Hayek, this time in his essay, &amp;quot;The Use of Knowledge in Society&amp;quot;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;The
peculiar character of the problem of a rational economic order is
determined precisely by the fact that the knowledge of the
circumstances of which we must make use never exists in concentrated or
integrated form, but solely as the dispersed bits of incomplete and
frequently contradictory knowledge which all the separate individuals
possess&amp;quot; (519).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He continues:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;In
ordinary language we describe by the word &amp;quot;planning the complex of
interrelated decisions about the allocation of our available resources.
All economic activity is in this sense planning; and in any society in
which many people collaborate, this planning, whoever does it, will in
some measure have to be based on knowledge which, in the first
instance, is not given to the planner but to somebody else, which
somehow will have to be conveyed to the planner. The various ways in
which the knowledge on which people base their plans is communicated to
them is the crucial problem for any theory explaining the economic
process. And the problem of what is the best way of utilizing knowledge
initially dispersed among all the people is at least one of the main
problems of economic policy--or of designing an efficient economic
system&amp;quot; (520).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And more:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;Today it is
almost heresy to suggest that scientific knowledge is not the sum of
all knowledge. But a little reflection will show that there is beyond
question a body of very important but unorganized knowledge which
cannot possibly be called scientific in the sense of knowledge of
general rules: the knowledge of particular circumstances of time and
place&amp;quot; (521).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just like how attributions of justice are
contingent on a set of partly inarticulated rules, economic actors make
their decisions according to their personal interpretations of
circumstances, in light of their own value systems. And as they are
inarticulated and often contradictory, they cannot be aggregated to
form a &amp;quot;social&amp;quot; standard. Hayek writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;...the sort of
knowledge with which I have been concerned is knowledge of the kind
which by its nature cannot enter into statistics and therefore cannot
be conveyed to any central authority in statistical form&amp;quot; (524).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So
we&amp;#39;ve sort of gotten to the point I&amp;#39;m trying to make. Basically, if
society&amp;#39;s acceptance of certain things as just is, as Hayek says, based
on compatibility with an internalized, partly inarticulated set of
rules, and if these sets of rules are subject to reasonable pluralism
and continuous flux, then it&amp;#39;s as impossible to get law perfectly right
through central planning as it is to get an economy perfectly right
through central planning. But then the question becomes, so what? In
looking at the economy, Hayek writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&amp;quot;We cannot expect
that this problem will be solved by first communicating all this
knowledge to a central board which, after integrating &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt; knowledge, issues its orders.  We must solve it by some form of decentralization&amp;quot; (524).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But is this the right answer for law?  That&amp;#39;s something I&amp;#39;ll have to leave for another day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Update:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hahahahahahahaha!&amp;nbsp; So this post was written in a sort of &amp;quot;Ah hah!&amp;quot;
moment while reading Hayek&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;The Results of Human Action but not of
Human Design,&amp;quot; causing me to jump up from the book and hammer out the
above.&amp;nbsp; Turns out that if I had kept reading, I would have discovered
Hayek making a nearly identical point in the essay itself.&amp;nbsp; So I&amp;#39;d
almost say to forget about this post and go pick up the book.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=49297" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Economics" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>Three Different Ways of Using Force</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/23/three-different-ways-of-using-force.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/23/three-different-ways-of-using-force.aspx</id><published>2008-08-23T18:43:00Z</published><updated>2008-08-23T18:43:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;So here&amp;#39;s the idea: there are at least three different ways that
libertarians generally think of coercive force, and I think they&amp;#39;ve
been harmed by treating them as if they were essentially the same sort
of thing. The first kind of coercive &amp;quot;force&amp;quot; is the use of someone
else&amp;#39;s property without their permission, or in direct defiance of
their wishes. The second kind is the initiation of physical force upon
a person, again without permission or in violation of their explicit
desires. The third kind is the threat of physical force directed at
coercing a person into doing something against their will. I don&amp;#39;t deny
that there might be more &amp;quot;kinds,&amp;quot; but these three came to mind first,
so they&amp;#39;re the one&amp;#39;s I&amp;#39;ll address here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It
seems to me that when many libertarians decry &amp;quot;coercion&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;aggressive
force,&amp;quot; they do so by means of certain kinds of arguments. These
arguments sometimes take the form of identifying the &amp;quot;true nature&amp;quot; of
certain kinds of coercive actions, and extending that characterization
to other kinds of coercive actions which may or may not fall into
different categories of force as expounded above. This, I think, can
lead to mistakes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example, &amp;quot;Taxation is slavery because the
product of your labor doesn&amp;#39;t belong to you.&amp;quot; The idea here is that the
government &amp;quot;steals&amp;quot; some of your income from you (which depends on the
rejection of the idea that you voluntarily live on the government&amp;#39;s
land by living in a country), and this money is the product of your own
labor. But you know what you call a system in which you work, but
someone else gets the product of that work? Yea, slavery. Blammo, take
that government! *high fives from the libertarians*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Except
here&amp;#39;s the thing. There is exactly one sense in which taxation is like
slavery, and it&amp;#39;s not the sense that these people are talking about.
The way that taxation is like slavery is that the government demands
that you, or your employer, or someone not actually on their own staff,
actually sends them the money. That is, if you don&amp;#39;t put the check in
the envelope, stamp it, and send it, you get punished. That&amp;#39;s the third
kind of force discussed above, where the threat of violence is used to
coerce a person into doing something against their will. And that&amp;#39;s
exactly like slavery.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, the reason that taxation is like
slavery has nothing to do with the fact that the government gets the
product of your work. That kind of thinking is not only sloppy, but in
many ways anti-libertarian and Marxist. We live in a country where we
are told that we will be taxed &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;if we decide to work&lt;/span&gt;.  In a slave society, slaves are told that they will be taxed &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;and they will work, whether they like it or not&lt;/span&gt;.
The government does not use the threat of force to make us produce
income. That would be like the third kind of force, which is the kind
that can be associated legitimately with slavery. We choose to work,
and can choose not to do so without any government-enforced
consequences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The idea that the product of our labor should
belong to us, even when we are explicitly a part of an arrangement in
which it will be taken from us, is an idea that can be traced back to
Marx and the labor theory of value. The very same idea is used to
explain why capitalists exploit their workers: the workers produce, and
the corporation gets the product of that labor. It&amp;#39;s like wage-slavery!
*high fives from the socialists*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The difference between a
voluntary agreement to work and government taxation is not that
corporations let you keep the product of your labor and the government
doesn&amp;#39;t. Rather, the difference is that you don&amp;#39;t agree to the
arrangement the government enforces upon you (well, under certain
conceptions of voluntarity), and you do agree to the arrangement the
corporation enforces upon you. In a corporate agreement, you are
&amp;quot;paying&amp;quot; your employers with the product of your labor in exchange for
them paying you with money that you want more than the product of your
labor. In a government agreement, you are paying the government with
the product of your labor so that they won&amp;#39;t use the first kind of
force (the use of your property against your will) or the second kind
(the use of physical force against your person).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The slavery
part of that bargain is the part where they actually make you pay the
tax with the threat of those other kinds of force. If they just went to
your bank and took the money from you, the slavery component would be
gone. But ostensibly, nobody&amp;#39;s complaining because we have to put a
check in an envelope and mail it, or fill out a form every once in a
while. I mean, that&amp;#39;s a pain in the ass, but I really don&amp;#39;t think
that&amp;#39;s the problem. The problem is not that taxation is like slavery,
but rather that taxation is like theft.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But if you accept the
view that we voluntarily live on the government&amp;#39;s land, and part of our
contract is that we pay taxes to the government, then even this
characterization doesn&amp;#39;t apply. The first kind of force (using property
without the owner&amp;#39;s permission) doesn&amp;#39;t apply to situations where the
alleged &amp;quot;owner&amp;quot; is party to an agreement through which she surrendered
the title to that property, just like it&amp;#39;s not the first kind of force
when my employer takes the product of my labor without my consent. And
the second kind of force (physical force against someone&amp;#39;s person)
doesn&amp;#39;t seem to apply when the person is doing something that they have
a perfect right to be doing, and are resisted against forcefully. In a
sense, it would almost be self-defense for the government to collect
its &amp;quot;rent&amp;quot;, just like my employer would have every right to use some
reasonable amount of force if I suddenly refused to give up the
products of my labor in the middle of the work day (well, more
accurately, he would have the right to demand that I appear in court or
something similar, and if I were found to be in breach of my contract,
some force would be legitimate in enforcing that contract; I&amp;#39;m no
opponent of procedural justice).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So we see that &amp;quot;Taxation is
slavery&amp;quot; collapses into &amp;quot;Taxation is theft, and they even make me give
it to them at gunpoint&amp;quot;, which then collapses into &amp;quot;The government
doesn&amp;#39;t have any legitimate claim to my property.&amp;quot; It seems to me that
all that would be perfectly clear to anyone willing to think about it
for a moment if they would only separate the different kinds of force
and consider each in its own light.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=48189" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Property Rights" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx" /><category term="Liberty" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Liberty/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>An Article on Strike-the-Root</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/21/an-article-on-strike-the-root.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/21/an-article-on-strike-the-root.aspx</id><published>2008-08-21T12:25:00Z</published><updated>2008-08-21T12:25:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;An article of mine was published today on Strike-the-Root on
drinking-age laws and unintended consequences. Please check it out if
you get a chance! Here&amp;#39;s the link: &lt;a href="http://www.strike-the-root.com/82/shahar/shahar1.html"&gt;The Seen and Unseen of Drinking-Age Laws&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=47776" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author></entry><entry><title>Protecting Others' Rights</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/19/protecting-others-rights.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/19/protecting-others-rights.aspx</id><published>2008-08-20T02:53:00Z</published><updated>2008-08-20T02:53:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;So here&amp;#39;s the basic idea: It seems like there&amp;#39;s a difference between
coming to someone&amp;#39;s aid when they&amp;#39;re asking you to, and coming to
someone&amp;#39;s aid when you determine on your own that they&amp;#39;re being treated
wrongly. This difference, I think, is extremely important, and might
open the door to an understanding of the libertarian position which
would allow for a reconciliation with a lot of historically
un-libertarian views. Here&amp;#39;s what&amp;#39;s up:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I take it that the backbone of any brand of libertarianism is&lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/04/rights-and-entitlements.html"&gt; a right to&lt;/a&gt;
self-determination, such that individuals are entitled to
non-interference in the absence of morally significant justification
for doing so. But it&amp;#39;s immediately clear that this exposition of the
fundamental libertarian principle leaves its two core components
somewhat indeterminate: it&amp;#39;s unclear what constitutes a &amp;quot;morally
significant&amp;quot; justification for interfering, and also what is meant by
the &amp;quot;entitlement&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To illustrate how the distinction is supposed
to work, without solving the problem posed by this indeterminacy: I
think that most libertarians would want to recognize something like a
&amp;quot;right to self-defense,&amp;quot; which seems like it would be derivative from
the right to self-determination. That is, it&amp;#39;s because I have the right
to self-determination that I have some right to self-defense. I am
entitled to self-determination, so if others act to infringe upon that
right, I am entitled to use some degree of force to stop them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
notice that my doing this infringes upon the aggressor&amp;#39;s right to
self-determination. My use of force upon this individual would normally
be unacceptable; they &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;do&lt;/span&gt; have the right to self-determination.  In this instance, however, they are in the process of infringing &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;my&lt;/span&gt; right to self-determination.  I take it, then, that this constitutes a morally significant justification for infringing &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;their&lt;/span&gt; right.  So it is acceptable for me to do so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now,
here&amp;#39;s why I like to think about it in this way: If someone wanted to
object to my use of force -- to my infringement of the aggressor&amp;#39;s
right to self-determination in self-defense -- they would want to say
something like &amp;quot;You used too much force&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Two wrongs don&amp;#39;t make a
right.&amp;quot; The former objection, I think, can be very informatively
understood as contending that the degree to which I infringed the
aggressor&amp;#39;s rights was not justified by the circumstances under which I
did so. And the latter can be understood as contending that &amp;quot;The fact
that the aggressor was infringing your right to self-determination does
not constitute a morally significant reason for using force in the way
that you did.&amp;quot; So the point is, even though I might disagree, the
objections would still be stated in terms of the overarching framework
for understanding rights, and we would be able to isolate the actual
source of the disagreement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, so hopefully that makes sense.
On, then, to the core of the discussion. Many libertarians accept the
idea that if it would be permissible for me to use force against you in
response to your infringing upon my rights, then it would be
permissible for me to ask someone else to use that same force against
you on my behalf, and for them to infringe upon your rights. It is on
this basis, they argue, that we can justify things like security guards
or coming to the rescue of someone who&amp;#39;s being robbed, attacked, or
raped.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see no compelling reason to object to this doctrine,
except the possibility that the person being defended might potentially
not be justified in defending herself in certain situations, and a
third party might not be able to know whether this were the case, and
so would face a degree of uncertainty in intervening. But imagine that
a businessman hires a delivery person to pick up a package from the
garage at someone&amp;#39;s home. The delivery person arrives at the house,
which is empty, and sees the package sitting in the garage. She picks
up the package and takes it to the businessman. Now imagine that it
turns out that the package did not actually belong to the businessman,
and what the delivery person has done is to steal the package on behalf
of the businessman. It seems to me that the delivery person is
completely innocent here, and that any accusation of wrongdoing should
be aimed at the businessman. So too, then, it seems like the person who
intervenes on behalf of a victim who is asking for help is guilty of no
wrongdoing, even if victim were not actually in possession of the right
to defend himself. The principle, then, would be that the person who
transfers the justification which does not belong to him is the one who
acts wrongly, and not the person who acts on the justification which
they believe they have.&lt;br /&gt;So, then, we can dismiss the one objection I
can think of to the idea that others should be able to act as our
agents in infringing the rights of others in order to protect
ourselves. Shifting to the perspective of the third party, we can say
that individuals are justified in intervening to protect entitlements
at the request of an apparent victim, even though we must inherently
face some uncertainty about whether or not the alleged victim actually
has the entitlement we believe them to have (of course, standards of
negligence would have to apply here).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I have discussed &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/05/enforcing-attitude-of-respect-for.html"&gt;in a past essay&lt;/a&gt;, Paul Taylor discusses two ways to conceive of rights and entitlements:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;According to Taylor&amp;rsquo;s first account, there are several necessary components of rights...First, Taylor
argues that to have a right, it must be possible for us to conceive of
the rights-holder asserting the moral legitimacy of the claim
represented by a right.&lt;span&gt;..&lt;/span&gt;Second, he claims that
we must be able to conceive of the holder of a right being able to
think of herself as being inherently worthy of that right.&lt;span&gt;..&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Third, Taylor
contends that we must be able to conceive of a rights-holder as being
able to choose whether or not to exercise his right...Finally, Taylor
explains that having a right involves an entitlement to &amp;ldquo;&amp;hellip;register
complaints, demand redress, or call for legal enforcement of their
rights&amp;hellip;&amp;rdquo; whenever they are violated.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Where
the first view understood duties possessed by others as the corollary
of rights recognized and asserted by the rights-holder, Taylor&amp;rsquo;s
alternative conception of rights holds them to amount to recognitions
of duties towards others which result from taking proper account of
their inherent worth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;To be
clear, Taylor was talking about whether or not plants and non-human
animals could have rights. But it seems clear to me that the sort of
example we&amp;#39;ve been working with so far, where a victim asks a third
party for help, conforms very much with the first way of understanding
rights. The victim perceives a rights violation, registers a complaint,
and demands intervention to rectify the violation of his entitlement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However,
it should be readily apparent that there are situations in which
individuals perceive a justification in intervening in situations which
do not fit this form. For a first example, if you saw someone being
beaten, and they were unconscious, it seems reasonable to think that
you would be justified in intervening. For a second example, if you saw
a child being groped in a sexual manner by a much older individual, it
seems like most people would think that intervention would be
acceptable. For a third example, if you saw a severely insane
individual being beaten or sexually groped by a member of his
institution&amp;#39;s staff, many people would feel that intervention would be
legitimate. The account of why you would be justified in intervening in
each of these situations is of critical importance for understanding
how intervention should work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are two kinds of
explanations that come immediately to mind here. The first explanation,
which is still in line with Taylor&amp;#39;s first account of rights, is that
the alleged victim, in the absence of &amp;quot;transactions costs,&amp;quot; would ask
you to intervene on their behalf, and that in situations where you can
be almost certain that this is the case, you can legitimately go ahead
and intervene even without being asked. But the second explanation,
which falls more in line with Taylor&amp;#39;s second account of rights, is
that the person whose actions the intervention is meant to interfere
with is acting improperly or unjustly, and can legitimately be stopped.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It
seems to me that the aforementioned examples grow increasingly
difficult to interpret through the lens of the first explanation, the
the point where the third example is almost impossible to think about
in that way (as is discussed in the &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2008/05/enforcing-attitude-of-respect-for.html"&gt;previously mentioned essay&lt;/a&gt;).
The first example, where the alleged victim is being beaten while
unconscious, seems like a simple enough case where transaction costs
are relatively uncontroversially preventing the victim from asking for
help, and if the victim were physically able to, it&amp;#39;s pretty reasonable
to assume that he would ask for help. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the second example,
where the child was being sexually abused, this might be less clear; a
child might not understand that she is being sexually abused by an
adult, and may not understand until much later why she should have
registered a complaint and requested protection. But still, one might
argue that if the child were made to understand the true nature of the
situation at hand (which may or may not actually be possible), she
would almost certainly ask for help, and so it would be justifiable to
intervene. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the third example, however, we run into serious problems.  As I wrote in the previously mentioned essay:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Some
insane and severely mentally handicapped individuals are certainly
unable to conceive of &amp;ldquo;legitimacy,&amp;rdquo; to see themselves as being
inherently worthy of respect, to choose whether to exercise or waive a
right, to complain about violations of their rights, to demand
restitution, and to call for the enforcement of their rights.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly, Taylor&amp;rsquo;s first view would deny that we can possibly conceive of these individuals as having rights.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But nevertheless it seems clear that we would often think ourselves justified in using coercion to protect these individuals.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And it does seem that the kind of situation in which we would feel justified in doing this lines up quite well with Taylor&amp;rsquo;s second conception of rights.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;That
is, we coercively intervene to protect the insane and the severely
mentally handicapped when we feel that they are being treated by others
in a manner which fails to take proper account of their inherent worth.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;If we feel that this practice is based on a manner in which those individuals are &lt;i&gt;entitled&lt;/i&gt; to be treated, then it seems to follow that we recognize them as having rights, in spite of all of the objections that Taylor&amp;rsquo;s first account has to offer, and that these rights are of the kind suggested by Taylor&amp;rsquo;s second account.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I am right about this, then it seems like what we are suggesting is that in some instances where an alleged victim &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;would not&lt;/span&gt;
ask us to intervene on their behalf, we would nevertheless be justified
in intervening. We cannot think of this sort of thing as a voluntary
transfer of justification for using force from a victim to a third
party intervenor, or even a potential voluntary transfer: I take it to
be uncontroversial that where we cannot conceive of some &amp;quot;victim&amp;quot;
transferring some right, we cannot base a view on the potential
transfer of that right by the victim. It seems, then, that we are
basing our justification on the second kind of explanation: we
intervene because what the &amp;quot;aggressor&amp;quot; is doing is wrong, and it would
not be unacceptable to put a stop to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we accept this,
however, then we arrive at the conclusion that we are justifying the
use of force not only to enforce that to which individuals are
entitled, but also to enforce others&amp;#39; duty to respect things with
inherent worth. And if this is the case, then an entirely new range of
potentially legitimate uses for force seems to open up which would be
prohibited by a simple Non-Aggression Principle (unless one takes the
rather implausible view that the only things that have inherent worth
are individuals&amp;#39; rights). For example, it would open libertarian
philosophy up to the idea that environmental ethical or utilitarian
concerns might play a role in justifying the use of force. But I&amp;#39;ll
have to address that another time. For now, I think I need some time to
digest all of this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=47505" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Intrinsic Value" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Intrinsic+Value/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>On Subjective Valuation and Intrinsic Value</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/10/on-subjective-valuation-and-intrinsic-value.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/08/10/on-subjective-valuation-and-intrinsic-value.aspx</id><published>2008-08-10T17:00:00Z</published><updated>2008-08-10T17:00:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;
Some more on this never-ending debate...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In ascribing value to
certain things, we acknowledge that they matter to us -- they have
weight in our calculations about what we should do. But it seems to me
that there are two (not mutually exclusive) ways in which we do this.
The first is the way that we mean when we talk about matters of
&amp;quot;taste.&amp;quot; When we evaluate things in this way, the account of why we
value them is autobiographical. For example, I like coffee because it
tastes good to me; it makes me feel cheerful and alert; it helps me
focus on tasks that I want to perform.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In order to dispute my evaluation, someone would need to similarly couch their objections in features &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;about me&lt;/span&gt;.
For example, I might announce that I want to eat a cheeseburger,
because I like the way they taste. In order to argue with my choice,
someone would need to alert me to some feature about &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;my&lt;/span&gt;
tastes that they believed I was failing to acknowledge. For example,
they might point out that the last time I ate a cheeseburger, I felt
sick, and told everyone how I never wanted to eat a cheeseburger again
(this is, of course, a fictional story; cheeseburgers are delicious).
The point is that with regard to discussing matters involving my own
tastes, the entire focus is on me, the valuer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other way that people often ascribe value to things is to claim (or implicitly claim) that they are the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;appropriate&lt;/span&gt; objects of valuation, and to ascribe to them the value -- the weight in our moral calculations -- that we believe is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;fitting&lt;/span&gt; of their nature or properties.  Not only are these things &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;valued&lt;/span&gt;, but they are seen as &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;valuable&lt;/span&gt;:
to &amp;quot;fail&amp;quot; to value these things would be, in some sense, inappropriate,
unbecoming, or wrong. The reason given here for an evaluation is no
longer autobiographical, but cites some quality inherent in the valued &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;object&lt;/span&gt; as if it were the explanation for the evaluation.  For example, a parent feeds his child &amp;quot;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;because&lt;/span&gt;&amp;quot; she is hungry, and her health and wellbeing depends on being fed.  The implication here is that the parent thinks that to &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;fail&lt;/span&gt; to feed the child would demonstrate &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;insufficient&lt;/span&gt; consideration of the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;fact&lt;/span&gt; of the child&amp;#39;s hunger.  Clearly, this sort of valuation is inherently &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;normative&lt;/span&gt;: it is understood as involving an acknowledgment of how we &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;ought&lt;/span&gt; to act.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I talk about actions that are &amp;quot;self-interested,&amp;quot; I refer to those actions where the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;account&lt;/span&gt;
of why the action was undertaken makes reference to the first kind of
valuation (the one which identifies the tastes, wants, and desires of
the valuer as the explanation for the valuation). When I call an action
&amp;quot;non-self-interested,&amp;quot; I refer to actions taken for reasons understood
in terms of the second sort of valuation (where objective features of a
set of circumstances are cited to explain the valuation). As I
suggested before, these sorts of valuations need not be mutually
exclusive. But there is a sense in which they are taken as being
separate from each other. For example, we might find someone saying
&amp;quot;He&amp;#39;s a really nice guy, and he&amp;#39;s never done anything bad to me, but I
just don&amp;#39;t like hanging out with him.&amp;quot; The implication here is that
niceness and blamelessness are being seen as somehow &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;worthy &lt;/span&gt;or &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;demanding&lt;/span&gt;
of consideration and positive valuation, but that the negative
valuation conveyed by the person&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;tastes&amp;quot; is acting as a
counterweight. Now, if the person who made the above statement decided
to hang out with the guy who she discussed, we might imagine her
saying, &amp;quot;He was just so nice; when he asked, I had to say yes.&amp;quot; Her
action here would be non-self-interested. If, on the other hand, she
decided not to hang out with the guy, we might imagine her saying, &amp;quot;As
nice as he was, I just couldn&amp;#39;t bring myself to put myself through
spending another minute with him.&amp;quot; Here, her action would be
self-interested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I talk about something having &amp;quot;intrinsic
value,&amp;quot; I&amp;#39;m making reference to qualities or objects identified by the
normative kind of valuation as providing justification for a choice.
Most ethical theories (those with a &amp;quot;realist&amp;quot; component) rely on this
sort of valuation to provide a basis for their claims: ethics involves
the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;acknowledgment&lt;/span&gt; or &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;recognition&lt;/span&gt; of the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;appropriate responses&lt;/span&gt; to certain &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;features&lt;/span&gt; of things or situations.  (I should mention, in passing, that one need not claim that there actually &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;are&lt;/span&gt; appropriate responses or anything like that; see, for example, quasi-realism.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&amp;#39;s
important to distinguish here between intrinsic value and what might be
called &amp;quot;objective value&amp;quot; or the &amp;quot;objective component&amp;quot; of value. When we
talk about objective values, we mean that a thing can be valuable
independently of anyone valuing it. This does not seem possible to me,
as value seems to be, by nature, a relationship between an evaluating
mind and some object (I don&amp;#39;t mean physical object, just a &amp;quot;something&amp;quot;
which is being valued). If I&amp;#39;m correct about this, there could be no
such thing as objective value. But the concept of an objective
component of value is different. This idea relies on the possibility
that certain features of objects (especially where objects can be taken
to also refer to concepts in our minds) cause a reaction in us which
leads us to value those objects. For example, a guy might meet a
beautiful, intelligent, and entertaining woman at a bar, and come to
want certain things not because he &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;chose&lt;/span&gt;
to want them, or something more mysterious, but rather because it was
natural for him to want those things upon acknowledging certain
features of the woman. Her objective features caused a &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;reaction&lt;/span&gt;
in the man, whose value judgments would thereby be affected (though, of
course, the valuation still only exists in the man&amp;#39;s mind; it is still
subjective).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It might be immediately clear that a parallel
exists between the concept of an objective component of value and the
concept of intrinsic value, as I alluded to in identifying the realist
component of many ethical theories. But the two concepts are not
necessarily identical. The man in the bar might desire a particular
beer, for example, because he wants a drink and because it strikes him
as satisfying the criteria of being a drink. But it would be slightly
odd for him to attribute any intrinsic value to the idea of him having
a drink: He would need to say, &amp;quot;I want that beer, and therefore it
would be immoral of me to not go get it.&amp;quot; Certainly there are people
who would be comfortable saying this (anyone who would call themselves
an &amp;quot;egoist&amp;quot; or a &amp;quot;hedonist&amp;quot; would immediately come to mind). But I take
it that most people don&amp;#39;t think that way. There is a difference between
what we want (what is a matter of our tastes) and what we ought to want
(what is a result of our attributions of intrinsic value). &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There&amp;#39;s clearly a lot more to say on this, but I figure this will do for now.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=45805" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Intrinsic Value" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Intrinsic+Value/default.aspx" /><category term="Economics" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>The Pitch (a First Draft...)</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/07/31/the-pitch-a-first-draft.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/07/31/the-pitch-a-first-draft.aspx</id><published>2008-07-31T05:08:00Z</published><updated>2008-07-31T05:08:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;On a fundamental level, political philosophy exists to pursue a better understanding of how society ought to be organized.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So
it is rather unsurprising that students of the subject tend to view
themselves as proponents of a certain kind of social order: socialists,
social democrats, minarchists, anarcho-capitalists, etc.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And
to some degree, within communities of political philosophers and those
who seek to emulate them, it makes sense to adopt these comprehensive
positions and to debate their merits with those who advocate opposing
views.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;But in a world where most people do
not think in terms of any coherent and complete political paradigm,
this kind of approach to advancing one&amp;rsquo;s ideas makes less sense.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is, in a sense, like trying to get a person to buy into a particular diet as the objectively correct diet for human beings.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Even if there were such a thing, most individuals would not even know how to begin to evaluate the idea being presented to them.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They would immediately search for flaws, and cling to any lack of clarity or certainty as reason to reject the diet completely.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And tellingly, we might expect this from someone whose existing diet is in all likelihood a really bad diet &lt;i&gt;by any reasonable standard&lt;/i&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;In advancing the cause of liberty, we have all experienced exactly this sort of thing.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;People don&amp;rsquo;t understand certain features of our standpoint, and accordingly reject the whole thing.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I submit that this is not because of some flaw in our argument, or a persistent indoctrinated stubbornness on their part.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Rather, it is simply a normal part of dealing with people who are not, and do not want to be, political philosophers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Up
to this point, I think that libertarians have largely focused on the
idea that central governments should not be involved in various parts
of our lives.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The justification for these positions generally takes two forms, often advanced simultaneously in the same argument.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First,
there is a moral position that argues that there is something unjust
about using the State mechanism to bring about a desired solution, and
that people must realize this fact and respond accordingly.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The
second is a pragmatic position which points out that central
governments are inherently ill-suited for dealing with the kinds of
tasks with which they are entrusted, and accordingly, we should be not
rely on them in the capacity under consideration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;It
occurs to me that by making these two positions part of the same
argument, libertarians have created a major hurdle for themselves.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This
is because the moral position they have been advancing is one which
requires one to put herself into the role of political philosopher, and
ask what sorts of principles ought to govern our social relationships.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Most people are inherently ill suited for this kind of thing, and will too often either become recalcitrant or brainwashed.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;Ultimately, neither is desirable.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But
by making the moral position a part of the core of their viewpoint,
libertarians have created a set of circumstances where practically the
only lay-people who acknowledge the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; part of the core &amp;ndash; the practical position &amp;ndash; are the people who are on board with the moral argument.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Those who reject the moral argument overwhelmingly seem to be ignoring or rejecting the practical argument.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;There are a number of reasons why this is a regrettable state of affairs.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Perhaps
most significant of these is the fact that the practical part of the
core is completely consistent with almost every other viewpoint.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is uncontroversial &lt;i&gt;even among socialists&lt;/i&gt;
that we cannot always know the best policy solutions to social
problems, and that there are problems with entrusting centralized
governments with the reigns of society.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It is therefore perfectly in line with &lt;i&gt;everyone&amp;rsquo;s&lt;/i&gt; viewpoint to consider the possibility that decentralized action might be the best way to deal with social issues, &lt;i&gt;by their own standards&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And
if libertarians are right about the idea that decentralized solutions
are more effective than centralized ones, this will appeal &lt;i&gt;to everyone&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This leads to another critically important reason why the current state of debate is unfortunate.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In
a world where people understood that decentralized decision-making is
often superior to central planning, we could reasonably expect people
to be substantially more open to the possibility that freedom to
determine one&amp;rsquo;s own course of action is a good thing.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The
person that says, &amp;ldquo;There&amp;rsquo;s no objective solution to this problem, so
let&amp;rsquo;s try and work something out together,&amp;rdquo; is going to be someone who
can easily be shown that imposing solutions on other people is a
problematic way to deal with social problems.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Essentially,
what I am saying is that coming to terms with the practical part of
libertarianism is actually a really effective way to get people to see
the virtue of the moral part.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;So what I&amp;rsquo;m
proposing is that we organize ourselves to study how decentralized
solutions can be found for social problems, and how government action
is not necessarily the best way to deal with things.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;This
seems like something that can appeal to people way outside of the
libertarian circle, and I think we should take full advantage of that
fact to bring the discussion into the mainstream arena.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;What I have in mind, essentially, is something like an Institute for the Study of Decentralization.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;The appeal here, again, is twofold.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;First,
it would serve the cause of liberty by helping to foster a mindset
which seems likely to bring people closer to being open to the
philosophy of freedom as a moral position.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And
second, it could help to bring a core part of the libertarian agenda &amp;ndash;
getting central governments out of their roles in social
decision-making &amp;ndash; into the mainstream policy arena, where it could form
a basis for consensus between libertarians and even their most bitter
opponents.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;To be perfectly clear, I&amp;rsquo;m not
saying that we could do this as a sneaky way to get people to be more
vulnerable to being converted.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;My point is that
we can legitimately argue that even if we&amp;rsquo;re wrong in our moral
positions, our practical ideas are important and deserving of
consideration.&lt;span&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;And further, we can say without
controversy that once people come to appreciate our practical ideas,
they&amp;rsquo;ll probably be able to see why we take the moral positions that we
do.&lt;span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=44629" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Economics" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx" /><category term="Liberty" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Liberty/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>Roderick Long on Property</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/07/31/roderick-long-on-property.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/07/31/roderick-long-on-property.aspx</id><published>2008-07-31T05:07:00Z</published><updated>2008-07-31T05:07:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;
I was reading Roderick Long&amp;#39;s article, &amp;quot;&lt;a&gt;Land-Locked: A Critique of Carson on Property Rights&lt;/a&gt;,&amp;quot;
and came across an argument that left me somewhat skeptical. I&amp;#39;ve
recently become convinced that appropriation needs to be justified on
the grounds of being a desirable &amp;quot;game,&amp;quot; as Schmidtz argues in his
essay, &amp;quot;&lt;a href="http://www.u.arizona.edu/%7Eschmidtz/manuscripts/InstitutionofProperty.doc"&gt;The Institution of Property&lt;/a&gt;.&amp;quot;
But I don&amp;#39;t want to rule out the possibility that a Lockean approach to
understanding appropriation can be defended, so I figured it might be
useful to spell out my confusion with Long&amp;#39;s argument in order to see
whether I (or anyone else) can make sense of any of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I
understood correctly, Long claimed that property rights arise from
self-ownership essentially because &amp;quot;By transforming external objects so
as to incorporate them into my ongoing projects, I make them an
extension of myself, in a manner analogous to the way that food becomes
part of my body through digestion&amp;quot; (91). But I feel like a number of
questions need to be addressed in order to make this a complete theory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, what does it mean to &amp;quot;transform&amp;quot; something.  I can incorporate all sorts of objects into my projects without &lt;i&gt;physically&lt;/i&gt;
transforming them at all, and I think that it makes a lot of sense to
think that a homesteading principle might still want to cite me as
their owner. For example, I might build a fence around a plot of
unowned land, and claim it for my yard. Surely someone who believes in
homesteading as a source of property rights would think that I owned
the fence itself, and the land on which the fence was built. But it
seems like I would also have a pretty reasonable claim for thinking
that the land surrounded by the fence was also mine. Does surrounding
something with a fence constitute a transformation?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If so, it
seems like the transformation would have to be something purely
subjective. But this seems like it would open the theory up to
accusations of over-breadth. For example, if I build my house in a
secluded area with a view of a previously undiscovered beach, do I own
the beach? If I discover a new planet, and construct a telescope that
allows me to gaze at it whenever it&amp;#39;s over my house, do I own the
planet? I don&amp;#39;t think the answers are obviously &amp;quot;yes.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further,
I wonder why incorporation into one&amp;#39;s projects should have anything to
do with ownership. After all, I can incorporate things into my projects
without owning them at all. My neighbor&amp;#39;s house, for example, might
produce a shady patch on my yard in the afternoon, allowing me to plant
certain shrubs which would not have survived if they were exposed to
direct sunlight all day long. Surely I don&amp;#39;t need to own my neighbor&amp;#39;s
house in order to do this, and while it would certainly entail a
frustration of my plans if my neighbor decided to knock his house down,
it doesn&amp;#39;t seem like this involves any violation of my self-ownership.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Approaching
the issue from another direction: given the subjective nature of the
transformation which confers ownership, it seems like we can frustrate
the projects of a property owner without ever physically transforming
an object, by changing the way that the owner views the object, or how
others view the object. Generally, these sorts of things are not
considered violations of property rights. But if property rights can be
understood in the way that Long discussed, why would this be the case?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also,
the idea that property rights can be understood in terms of the
relationship between an object and a valuer&amp;#39;s ends, it seems like we
would be led to an easement-based theory of ownership. But this is not
the generally accepted view of property. Does this mean that we need to
abandon that view?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&amp;#39;m open to answers; I don&amp;#39;t want to be
unfair to this idea, largely because I once accepted it as correct, so
any input would be great.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=44628" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Property Rights" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx" /><category term="Appropriation and Environmentalism" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>Social Policymaking and the Libertarian Party</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/07/07/social-policymaking-and-the-libertarian-party.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/07/07/social-policymaking-and-the-libertarian-party.aspx</id><published>2008-07-07T05:43:00Z</published><updated>2008-07-07T05:43:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;[It occurs to me that the beginning
of this post is very poorly written, and does not convey the idea that
I was trying to get across. I apologize. Feel free to read it anyway,
but feel even freer to skip down a little until the next bracketed
comment.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I take it that most libertarians acknowledge that society does need
certain institutions and rules in order to operate, and that these
rules would require individuals to abide by agreements which might end
up with outcomes that they don&amp;#39;t particularly like, but have to abide
by because of the agreements. For example, if I voluntarily enter into
a living arrangement in an incorporated city which is governed by a set
of laws, then I must abide by those laws so long as I continue to live
in the city. Going further, it seems reasonable to believe that in such
a living arrangement, part of my agreement would include a mechanism
for deciding on new rules which could be enforced. For example, if the
members of my community wanted to employ a lawn mowing service, perhaps
we could somehow get together and decide to be bound to contribute to
the lawn mowing fund. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now,
what I&amp;#39;ve just described is a public policy. This public policy would
be one that I could advocate for some reason like &amp;quot;I think we can all
agree that it would be nice to have mowed lawns in our town, so we
should have lawn mowing,&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;It seems to me that people aren&amp;#39;t
motivated to mow their lawns, but would be glad to pay the price of
mowing their lawn if for that price they knew they would get their lawn
mowed and also get to live in a town of beautifully manicured laws.&amp;quot;
And given that I would be living in a community where all the members
had agreed to abide by the rules turned out by some rule-making
procedure, it seems like such a policy would be perfectly consistent
with the ideals of anarcho-capitalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hearing this, it might
occur to some members of our current social order to suggest something
like the following: What&amp;#39;s the point of being an anarcho-capitalist if
that&amp;#39;s what you&amp;#39;re going to end up with? If you have a vision of what
society should be like, you should try to convince enough people that
you&amp;#39;re right, and then you can direct the political process towards
implementing that vision. That&amp;#39;s how democracy is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;supposed&lt;/span&gt; to work, and you just need to get out there and let your voice be heard!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It
is this sort of thinking, as far as I can tell, that leads to the idea
that a Libertarian Party can be successful. The idea, then, is that if
Libertarians get their message out, they can make the government give
us back our freedom and stay out of our lives. Society, under such a
government, would then be able to decide whether to disband the State
entirely or to attempt to maintain a smaller, more limited State. And
perhaps both. After all, what&amp;#39;s most important is that we start working
towards a point where such a conversation could even be possible on a
national level.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But notice an interesting feature about what
I&amp;#39;ve said so far about taking a position on social issues. First, I
talked about anarcho-capitalism as a starting point, and then talked
about public policies that I would personally advocate for
implementation in my own society, which I had voluntarily entered, and
where the other members could only be bound by rules produced by a
procedure that they had directly agreed to. By contrast, the capital-L
Libertarians, it appears to me, leave out the first step. Their
objective is to determine what rules they would want to govern their
society, and then to attempt to have those rules implemented (this
manifests itself in some sort of private property regime where there
are very few socially enforced rules besides respect for property).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;[If you just read the above, see what
I mean about me not talking sense? Yea...sorry about that, I wrote the
beginning of this post at 2AM last night, and didn&amp;#39;t notice how bad it
was when I resumed writing today. What follows is the main idea of this
post, and hopefully makes sense on its own.]&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This
difference is not insignificant. To illustrate why, imagine that there
is a fraternity, Alpha Beta (AB), which throws a huge party every year
with a sorority, Chi Upsilon Zeta (XYZ). Let&amp;#39;s say that a member of
Alpha Beta, Chad, decides that he doesn&amp;#39;t like the XYZ parties and no
longer wants to contribute to them, but the other members of AB are
willing to use force if necessary to get the money from Chad if he
refuses to pay and doesn&amp;#39;t leave the fraternity. Chad first considers
leaving AB to go live elsewhere, but unfortunately, all the housing
with access to his college&amp;#39;s campus belongs to the Greek system, and
all the other fraternities on campus do things that Chad finds equally
lame, but would be forced to contribute to. His situation, I take it,
is somewhat analogous to the one in which libertarians find themselves
today (though of course Chad could transfer or drop out, but whatever).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now,
if Chad were to pursue the sort of plan I outlined in the beginning of
this post, what would he need to do? Essentially, he would have several
options. He could attempt to convince the other AB&amp;#39;s (or the members of
another fraternity) to allow him to build a shed on part of their lawn
to sleep in. While in his part of the yard, the fraternity&amp;#39;s rules
would not apply to him, including the one which forced him to help pay
for the party with the XYZ&amp;#39;s. Second, he could purchase a patch of yard
from the AB&amp;#39;s (or another fraternity) which would belong exclusively to
him, where he could make rules for himself, and would not need to
contribute to any kind of fraternity organization. Third, Chad could
claim a patch of lawn for himself and defend it with force of his own
if anyone tried to make him contribute to any fraternity programs.
There are probably a bunch of other things Chad could do instead. But
the common theme here is that what Chad is doing is entering a
non-affiliated state of affairs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;I
should note that Chad would be an idiot to do this alone, especially if
doing this would prevent him from any sort of social cooperation with
anyone in the fraternity system. I don&amp;#39;t think any reasonable
anarcho-capitalist would contend that non-affiliated status would
&amp;quot;work&amp;quot; if it meant that people would be out on their own. Being on your
own is awful--worse, I think, than being subject to unreasonable and
involuntary rule. But this is besides the point of this post.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now
let&amp;#39;s contrast the above strategy to the kind of thing that Libertarian
Party libertarians are trying to do. Imagine if instead of looking for
a way out of the fraternity system, Chad thought to himself, &amp;quot;Well, I
don&amp;#39;t like the parties with the XYZ&amp;#39;s. So what I should do is get AB to
stop throwing the parties; if people really want to throw the parties,
they can get together and organize the party voluntarily. The AB
fraternity shouldn&amp;#39;t be involved in the party; the members who want the
party should be the ones to organize it.&amp;quot; Chad would then try to
popularize this idea, and get enough people in AB to agree to stop
funding the party to bring about a change in the fraternity&amp;#39;s rules. If
Chad were like the Libertarian Party, he would go about this goal by
trying to convince the youngest and most impressionable members of the
fraternity about why the party wasn&amp;#39;t so great, and why it would be
really great if everyone who wanted the party just got together and had
it without involving any of the people who didn&amp;#39;t want to have it.
Eventually, if Chad were successful, enough of AB would be filled with
this new generation of Libertarian AB&amp;#39;s, and the fraternity government
would be withdrawn from involvement in throwing the party.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See
how that&amp;#39;s a very different way of getting things done? Consider, for a
moment, the consequences for the AB member who is perfectly happy with
the XYZ parties, and is glad to pay the dues to fund them. In the first
scenario, where Chad goes out of his way to leave in a way that does
not disturb the AB system of governance, the members of AB who are
happy with their fraternity government still get to have their party,
and without any perceptible change &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;except for the one we want them to feel&lt;/span&gt;,
which is that now Chad no longer has to pay for something that he
doesn&amp;#39;t want, and they have to deal with the consequences of that. If
the party was only worth it to them because they could make Chad help
pay for it, then perhaps they would stop having the party, and that&amp;#39;s a
good thing. But otherwise, the remaining members of AB would get to
continue living the way that they were living, and it would be on Chad
to figure out a way to make his new life work outside of AB.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By
contrast, in the second scenario the mechanism by which the XYZ party
was formerly thrown has now been denied to the AB members who have
always depended upon it in the past, and if they want to have their
party, it will now be contingent on them to get together and negotiate
a new deal. If AB were an extremely large fraternity, and the members
did not have a very good way of communicating and negotiating with each
other, this might be incredibly difficult for the AB&amp;#39;s to organize.
Certainly they would have an &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;incentive&lt;/span&gt; to figure it out.  But that doesn&amp;#39;t mean that they &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;would&lt;/span&gt; figure it out, and figuring it out would certainly involve &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;opportunity costs&lt;/span&gt; that could be very significant to them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
difference can be summed up like this: In the scenario I&amp;#39;ve advanced,
where Chad separates himself from what he takes to be an oppressive
system and strikes out to pursue his own goals, what Chad does is to
remove himself, but to leave the existing system intact for those who
want it to remain that way. He changes nothing for anyone except so far
as others were depending on him to help further their own ends (&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;using him as a means&lt;/span&gt;).
In the scenario in which Chad embodies the Libertarian Party, on the
other hand, the entire system of government by which the other AB&amp;#39;s are
used to coordinating their activities is disabled, and they must take
it upon themselves to coordinate the party in its stead. As I&amp;#39;ve
suggested, this might not be particularly easy for them to do,
especially if the fraternity is extremely large and communication is
difficult, and lots of coordination is required to get the XYZ party
off the ground.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I see it, the former strategy is the one most
consistent with the ideal of just wanting to be left alone. The latter,
it seems to me, effectively stops the other AB&amp;#39;s from imposing things
on Chad by creating a coordination vacuum, which could have seriously
unpleasant consequences for the AB&amp;#39;s. It&amp;#39;s stopping an imposition on
Chad by essentially imposing something else on the AB&amp;#39;s: the
responsibility to throw a party for which they had gladly delegated the
responsibility away to their fraternity government.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Essentially,
this is what I think that the Libertarian Party is trying to do. It&amp;#39;s
trying to take a government entity that many people rely on and that
many people believe &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;must&lt;/span&gt; be
involved in certain areas of their lives, and destroying its ability to
fulfill the tasks that these people are looking for it to fulfill.
Sure, it&amp;#39;s probably true that these people will be able to adapt to
their new circumstances and perhaps be better off than before. But the
point is, people who are not libertarians don&amp;#39;t &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;want&lt;/span&gt;
to live in a society that reflects libertarian ideals. They would
gladly submit to a coercive government if the alternative were trying
to make all the decisions necessary to decide on what kind of life they
want to live. To paralyze their government, I take it, would be to do
these people a profound disservice. And because I like these people, I
will advocate nothing of the sort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rather, I will advocate what
I consider to be the high road. I would gladly endure greater
oppression under the state, and gladly make greater sacrifices in order
to bring about a world in which &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;secession&lt;/span&gt;
from our statist friends is a feasible solution for libertarians who no
longer want to live under the state system, rather than advocate the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;destruction&lt;/span&gt; of the state system &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;to serve my ends&lt;/span&gt;,
at the great expense of those who very much want the state system to
remain in place, and who have no interest in giving anarchy a shot.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;I
want to qualify that by saying that I&amp;#39;m finding it hard not to want to
see McCain run this country into the ground in a spectacular fashion so
that Americans will have reason to critically reexamine the ideas on
which they base their social order. But I think that&amp;#39;s sort of
different from wanting to force people to act like libertarians: I want
them to see how stupid their system is and change their minds, as
opposed to wanting them to have to act as though their minds were
changed when they really hadn&amp;#39;t been.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=40486" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Liberty" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Liberty/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>On the Use of the Term "Self-Interest" in Economics</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/26/on-the-use-of-the-term-quot-self-interest-quot-in-economics.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/26/on-the-use-of-the-term-quot-self-interest-quot-in-economics.aspx</id><published>2008-06-26T06:12:00Z</published><updated>2008-06-26T06:12:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&amp;#39;ve been repeatedly embroiled in an argument for the last few weeks
over the term &amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; as it is used in economic discussion, and
I wanted to hammer out my position once and for all so that I don&amp;#39;t
have to keep trying to start from the beginning. Here&amp;#39;s the deal. I am
told that within the discipline of economics, what it means to say that
a person &amp;quot;acted in her own self-interest&amp;quot; is that a person &amp;quot;acted
according to her own interests.&amp;quot; The idea here is that &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;all&lt;/span&gt;
action demonstrates preference, and that this necessarily means that
the actor preferred the action that was taken to all other actions. So
if I jump on a grenade in order to save my friends, what I have
demonstrated is that I preferred to jump on the grenade over all other
alternatives that I considered, and it&amp;#39;s fair to say that I wanted to
jump on the grenade; that out of all available alternatives, the one I
consider the best is the one where I jump on the grenade so that my
friends live. I&amp;#39;m down with that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I jump on the grenade
because I want to save my friends, I take it to be uncontroversial that
I do so according to my own interests. How could it be otherwise? And
if what we mean by &amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; is simply that I act according to my
own interests, then yes, my jumping on the grenade is self-interested.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But
when presented with the claim that jumping on the grenade is a
self-interested behavior, the average person tends to become perplexed.
It&amp;#39;s only after a thorough explanation of the &amp;quot;economic&amp;quot; meaning of the
term that it becomes clear how this could be the case. Why does this
happen? The reason, I contend, is that economists mean something
completely different by the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; than lay people do.
This, I will argue, is a problem, and should be remedied in order to
prevent completely unnecessary confusion and error.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me
explain. In talking about any interest or preferred scenario, there
must be a subject and an object. The subject, generally speaking, is
the person who has the interest or the preference. So if we&amp;#39;re talking
about my preference for eating an apple, the subject is me. It is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;I&lt;/span&gt; who prefers the apple, and the preference for the apple is incoherent without the fact that the preference is &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;my &lt;/span&gt;preference.
The object of the preference, on the other hand, is the end which the
subject is seeking to promote. In our example, I prefer the apple, but
the object of my preference is not simply the apple: I don&amp;#39;t value the
apple for itself. I want to &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;eat&lt;/span&gt;
the apple. The object of my preference, then, is something along the
lines of my having eaten the apple (perhaps we might say that I want
&amp;quot;the experience&amp;quot; of eating the apple, or &amp;quot;the happiness&amp;quot; produced by my
eating the apple; the exact way we phrase this is not critical).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The
critical thing to note here is that the economists&amp;#39; definition of
&amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; simply refers to the idea that interests are
subjective: the subject of all interests is the interested individual.
It is my understanding, however, that when lay people use the term
&amp;quot;self-interest,&amp;quot; what they have in mind is, minimally, that the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;object&lt;/span&gt;
of the preference has something to do with the interested individual.
So if my sister were sick, I might go get her some medicine. To say
that my getting the medicine is &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; would mean, to the
lay person, that I get the medicine in order to promote some
self-directed end. That is, I get the medicine because, perhaps, I am
happier when my sister is not sick, or my sister is irritating when
she&amp;#39;s sick, or there&amp;#39;s a cute pharmacist who will think I&amp;#39;m sweet for
taking care of my sick sister. The lay-person, then, would call
&amp;quot;non-self-interested&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;selfless&amp;quot; an interest with an object which
does not directly involve the actor. So I act selflessly if the reason
I go get the medicine is that I value my sister&amp;#39;s health &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;for its own sake&lt;/span&gt;, and am willing to take on the costs necessary to promote her health.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note
that this lay definition of self-interest is not incoherent or
contradictory. And note also that the &amp;quot;selfless&amp;quot; act identified by the
lay definition is labeled as &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; by the economist
definition. Indeed, the notion of &amp;quot;selflessness,&amp;quot; as identified by the
lay definition, is defined out of existence by the economist
definition. Because the economist identifies as &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; all
actions where the subject is the actor, and because all actions
demonstrate an interest on the part of the actor, it becomes clear that
there can be no such thing as a &amp;quot;non-self-interested&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;selfless&amp;quot;
action.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A number of problems immediately present themselves. The
first problem is that the economist definition completely eliminates
what I take to be an extremely &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;useful&lt;/span&gt;
distinction between &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;selfless&amp;quot; actions, which is
captured very well in the lay definition, without providing an adequate
substitute. One might object that the term &amp;quot;selfish&amp;quot; captures the
layman&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;self-interested,&amp;quot; but to most people, the term &amp;quot;selfish&amp;quot; is
emotionally charged with negative connotations. Observe the struggles
of the Objectivists to try to divorce this emotional&lt;br /&gt;connotation
from the term! By contrast, the layman&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; is relatively
neutral and already conveys the sort of thing that the economist would
be trying to bend &amp;quot;selfish&amp;quot; into meaning. Further, the economist would
then need a new word for the layperson&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;selfish&amp;quot;! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another
reason that the fundamental difference between the lay person&amp;#39;s and the
economist&amp;#39;s definition is undesirable is that the economist&amp;#39;s
definition of &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; means exactly the same thing as the lay
person&amp;#39;s &amp;quot;interested.&amp;quot; Because all interests are subjective, and the
&amp;quot;self&amp;quot; in &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; refers only to this fact, the term becomes
redundant. The only thing that could conceivably be added by using the
term &amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; would be if the addition of the &amp;quot;self&amp;quot; served to
remind people that preferences are subjective. But as we have
discussed, the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; already means something, and it
has nothing to do with subjectivity. If anything, the use of the term
crowds out more useful terminology like &amp;quot;subjectively-interested.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet
another problem with the economists&amp;#39; definition is that now we have a
situation where the technical definition of the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot;
is fundamentally different from the normally accepted definition of the
word. That means that in order to actually communicate their points to
lay people, economists will need to first make clear what they mean by
self-interested, and ensure that their audience keeps this definition
firmly in mind so as to avoid drawing bad conclusions. This also
creates a systematic likelihood that people will be misled by
economists who fail to properly emphasize their use of the redefined
term. Nowhere is this problem more apparent than in the field of Public
Choice economics. We might imagine an economist going before a crowd of
lay persons and announcing that &amp;quot;The problem with governments is that
they are run by self-interested people.&amp;quot; We might imagine that what the
economist means here is that politicians act according to their own
preferences, and do not magically take on &amp;quot;society&amp;#39;s&amp;quot; preferences when
they are elected to office. They are, after all, human! And this would
be a good and important point. But upon hearing the economist say that
politicians are self-interested, a number of lay people might interpret
the economist as making the argument that politicians are &amp;quot;in it for
themselves&amp;quot; and are simply involved in politics in order to accrue
benefits for themselves, regardless of whether others are harmed in the
process. If it&amp;#39;s true that the economists&amp;#39; use of the term
&amp;quot;self-interest&amp;quot; does not offer any new or important insight into
anything, as I argued above, it&amp;#39;s unclear why we wouldn&amp;#39;t want to
simply avoid this problem altogether.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The final problem with the
economists&amp;#39; use of the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; is that economists
themselves may end up misusing the term and reverting to the normal
definition without noticing. Remember, economists are lay persons
before they are economists, and have generally grown up with a meaning
of the term &amp;quot;self-interested&amp;quot; which is very different from the meaning
they&amp;#39;ve been trained to adopt in their profession. As a result, you end
up with phenomena like economists saying things along the lines of
&amp;quot;Because all actions are self-interested, it&amp;#39;s clear that the reason
you jump on the grenade is because you would be miserable if you
didn&amp;#39;t, and you expect that the misery would be way worse than dying.&amp;quot;
And I assure you, having heard that point made today, the risk of this
sort of thing occurring is very real.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So in conclusion, I say
that economists should quit their ridiculousness and give us back
&amp;quot;self-interest.&amp;quot; Their definition takes away a useful distinction which
is captured by the normal meaning of the word, doesn&amp;#39;t explain anything
new, and doesn&amp;#39;t accomplish anything except confusing everyone,
including the economists themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=39217" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Economics" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>Cap and Trade vs. the Carbon Tax </title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/cap-and-trade-vs-the-carbon-tax.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/cap-and-trade-vs-the-carbon-tax.aspx</id><published>2008-06-13T22:09:00Z</published><updated>2008-06-13T22:09:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" class="null"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#006bad;"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I&amp;#39;ve been addressing the issue of anthropogenic climate change for some time now, and I haven&amp;#39;t said much in the way of addressing specific policy proposals. But I was just given a delightful present by one of my fellow FEE associates: a copy of the American Institute for Economic Research&amp;#39;s latest &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;Economic Education Bulletin&lt;/span&gt;, entitled &amp;quot;The Global Warming Debate: Science, Economics, and Policy.&amp;quot; I didn&amp;#39;t read the whole thing, but my favorite part was definitely when William R. Cotton, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State, closed his completely science-oriented essay, &amp;quot;Summary View of Climate Change,&amp;quot; with:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;There are strong indications that our global climate is warming. But the question is, is the warming due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases, or is it due to some other forcing mechanisms (or their transient absence) and natural variability. As human population on Earth continues to increase, the chances of human-induced changes in climate due to greenhouse gases, aerosol pollution, or alterations in land use become increasingly likely. Thus, rather than consider climate engineering, we should devise methods of encouraging the reduction of population growth through economic and quality-of-life incentives.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Period, end of conversation. No comment on that gem anywhere else in the entire essay. Who&amp;#39;s got two thumbs and &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;loves it&lt;/span&gt;? This guy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But anyway, that&amp;#39;s not the point. Later in the publication was an essay by Kenneth P. Green, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, where it was argued that a carbon tax is superior to a cap-and-trade system. I bounced between frustration, amusement, and glee as I read it, and felt an immediate need to comment. Not because Green did a bad job--he did just fine--but because he was guilty of something which is very common among people who discuss climate change: he discussed the possible &amp;quot;solutions&amp;quot; to climate change without addressing the &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;reasons&lt;/span&gt; that a policy was to be implemented in the first place, and how the different solutions worked to address those reasons. His argument for a tax scheme over a cap-and-trade scheme was simply that a tax scheme could achieve the same goals, but with better economic side-effects and less potential for failure. Fine, I&amp;#39;ll even grant it. But taxes and caps are fundamentally different policies, which only make even a little sense when confronted by specific sorts of problems.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I should explain what I mean. &lt;a href="http://www.strike-the-root.com/72/shahar/shahar5.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6699cc;"&gt;I&amp;#39;ve discussed elsewhere&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; the idea that in order to make any sense from an ethical point of view, pollution taxes need to be based on the idea that an individual is justified in polluting if and only if she pays compensation to her victims for any damage done to them. That idea is controversial, but for our purposes we don&amp;#39;t need to address that controversy. The point is only that &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;even if&lt;/span&gt; we accept that idea as true, there are &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;still&lt;/span&gt; only certain kinds of instances in which the injustice of pollution can legitimately be dealt with through a tax on pollution. The paradigm cases are those instances in which the damage caused by pollution is directly proportional to the amount of pollution that there is, so that the tax becomes the &amp;quot;price&amp;quot; of compensating the victims of one&amp;#39;s actions for the costs one imposes upon them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cap and trade schemes, on the other hand, are built for an entirely different kind of problem. In a paradigm cap and trade situation, there is a threshold level of pollution with which policymakers are concerned, and at the threshold, a certain amount of damage is anticipated. The cap and trade scheme accordingly sets the cap at the relevant amount of pollution, and then distributes &amp;quot;shares&amp;quot; of the &amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; below that threshold in some way (e.g., auction, grandfathering system...). Because the allocations may be economically inefficient for whatever reason, the shares can then be traded in accordance with the wishes of their owners in order to ensure that the right to pollute is distributed to those individuals who are willing to pay the most for it (note that the normal objections to the &amp;quot;willingness to pay&amp;quot; criterion are avoided by passing the buck to the distribution process, which of course must be justified separately).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point I want to make here is that global climate change is a very different phenomenon than the sorts of phenomena for which either of these policies is built to provide a solution. &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/2007/12/emergent-problems.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#666699;"&gt;As noted elsewhere&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, climate change is an emergent problem. That is, climate change is not the result of any individual&amp;#39;s actions, but rather is the consequence of many individuals acting separately, so that no individual can reasonably be said to have been able to prevent climate change from occurring, and no individual could have caused climate change singlehandedly. Accordingly, it does not make sense to talk about the consequences of climate change in terms of marginal contributions. The amount of damage caused by climate change will not likely change recognizeably with an additional increment of CO2 (or any other forcing agent), so it&amp;#39;s not reasonable to try to put a price on how much damage &amp;quot;a unit of climate forcing&amp;quot; (expressed, perhaps, in terms of GWP, or Global Warming Potential, as defined by the IPCC?) causes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A tax on contributions to climate change, therefore, seems like a policy which would require a bit of shoehorning. Individuals paying the tax would not be paying the &amp;quot;social cost&amp;quot; of their particular contribution, taken in isolation, because that would be basically zero. They would need to be charged for their &amp;quot;portion&amp;quot; of the total amount of damage done by climate change. So what policymakers would need to do would be to determine the total amount of damage which would be done at the equilibrium price for pollution permits, and then sell the permits at that price. The problem then becomes one of economic calculation. It could be done to some degree, but it would be inherently imprecise. And remember: the end result needs to be that the victims get compensated, so the government would have to go into its own pockets (that is to say, the pockets of its treasury or, more realistically, the pockets of its Federal Reserve printing press) to take care of the balance if it aimed low. And as my wonderful economist friends would point out, there would be a considerable incentive to aim &lt;em&gt;high&lt;/em&gt;, creating a surplus revenue stream for the government which would almost certainly not be returned. So the tax is doable, kind of, but the problem is not the kind of thing that the tax is designed for. It&amp;#39;s just that you can use the tax to accomplish the end goal if you want.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The cap and trade system is a little harder to adapt to the task, but there are a number of ways that the idea can be useful. First, there is a level to which we could collectively exert a forcing on the climate system without producing objectionable consequences. This level of climate forcing &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a threshold which could be amenable to a &lt;em&gt;soft&lt;/em&gt; cap and trade scheme (soft like the baseball salary cap). In this kind of policy, the cap would be set at the level of forcing which would produce no negative consequences, and this &amp;quot;environmental space&amp;quot; would be allocated somehow (or, if people find this to be a bad idea, we would simply say that these shares should be allocated in proportion to one&amp;#39;s contribution to climate change, so that the soft cap has no effect). People not receiving these shares, or polluting in excess of their shares, would be filling environmental space which represented something like &amp;quot;harmful social emissions&amp;quot;. Because these emissions would not be legitimated by the soft cap, they would be the ones which would be subject to the obligation to compensate the victims (again, if the soft cap isn&amp;#39;t being used, as mentioned above, it would just be that everyone would have to participate in compensating the victims).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here a potential for another cap would become apparent: We might imagine that policymakers would decide on a level of pollution (corresponding to some amount of total damage) which was determined to be &amp;quot;socially desirable&amp;quot; somehow. Perhaps, using the same reasoning involved in the tax scheme discussed above, the policymakers would arrive at the level of pollution which would clear the market if everyone paid some price for it. Or perhaps the policymakers would identify a level of pollution beyond which &lt;em&gt;unacceptable&lt;/em&gt; results would occur, and the cap would be set there. In any case, you would then have to set a cap and allocate the shares. So again, the policy could be made to work. But the problems are simply that it&amp;#39;s difficult to identify a level of &amp;quot;unacceptable&amp;quot; pollution, it&amp;#39;s just as difficult to identify a market clearing price in this scheme as it is with the tax (assuming that the shares are auctioned, of course), and any other way of running the scheme is sure to carry either difficulties of its own, or charges of arbitrariness which would sever the connection between the problem and the solution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So ultimately, what we&amp;#39;re faced with is a situation in which the only two policy suggestions that are on the table are not particularly well suited to the task of &amp;quot;solving&amp;quot; the problems arising from climate change (and I haven&amp;#39;t even begun to address the question of how the compensation process would even work, or whether compensation could make climate change legitimate!), and the only way to make either of them work is to basically stretch and contort them until they are made to do the job acceptably. Doing so, it will be noted, requires in both cases that government decision-makers possess knowledge and foresight which they almost certainly do not have, and even then it&amp;#39;s unclear that the policies would work properly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously, there&amp;#39;s a lot more to say about this. I just wanted to get some preliminary thoughts down, and I think this was a good start. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=37687" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Climate Change" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx" /><category term="Appropriation and Environmentalism" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Appropriation+and+Environmentalism/default.aspx" /><category term="Economics" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Economics/default.aspx" /><category term="Emergent Problems" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Emergent+Problems/default.aspx" /><category term="Compensation" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Compensation/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>Another Double Standard Between Governments and Individuals? </title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/another-double-standard-between-governments-and-individuals.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/another-double-standard-between-governments-and-individuals.aspx</id><published>2008-06-13T22:07:00Z</published><updated>2008-06-13T22:07:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;[Cross-posted...a while ago...on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" class="null"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So today was my first day at the Foundation for Economic Education, where I&amp;#39;ll be interning over the summer, and I&amp;#39;ve already had some excellent debates; this is going to be a fantastic experience. Everyone seems really passionate and interesting, and I&amp;#39;m sure I&amp;#39;m going to learn a lot from everyone. I wanted to put one of the more controversial debate topics on my blog as a record, and to get the idea out to a wider audience. I&amp;#39;ve been toying around with the idea for a few days; I&amp;#39;m really curious to hear what other people think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The idea is this: If we recognize private entities&amp;#39; claims to property titles as legitimate, even when they have a known history of violence and illegitimacy, then it&amp;#39;s difficult to argue that currently existing governments are illegitimate for property rights-based reasons. Governments claim that we live in their territory, and their claims have roots that go back many generations. To claim that a government is not justified in enforcing rules in its territory is, effectively, to claim that the government is not the legitimate owner of that territory. But saying that, it seems to me, makes it very difficult to consistently argue that many (most, if not all) private property titles are legitimately held.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We had a bit of fun with this one at dinner, and I&amp;#39;m not completely sure what I think of it. Of course, everyone else at the table was not too comfortable with the idea, and it made for some lively debate. But nevertheless, I figured I&amp;#39;d post it here. Feel free to leave any comments; I&amp;#39;ll be interested to hear what people think about this. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=37686" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Property Rights" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Property+Rights/default.aspx" /><category term="Liberty" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Liberty/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>The Responsibility Principle vs. Breach of Duty </title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/the-responsibility-principle-vs-breach-of-duty.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/06/13/the-responsibility-principle-vs-breach-of-duty.aspx</id><published>2008-06-13T22:05:00Z</published><updated>2008-06-13T22:05:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;[Cross-posted...a while ago...on &lt;a href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/" class="null"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;So I stumbled upon a really jarring debate today. I&amp;#39;m sort of puzzled that I haven&amp;#39;t already heard of this issue, and am suspicious that someone might just be able to explain to me why there isn&amp;#39;t any problem, and I&amp;#39;m just confused. But in any case, here&amp;#39;s the issue. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damages"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#6699cc;"&gt;It seems&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt; that in our current legal system, in order to establish that someone owes you damages to compensate you for a tort, you need to show that they have breached a duty that they owed to you. If it is determined that they did nothing wrong in harming you, then the idea is that they don&amp;#39;t owe you anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But on the other hand, there&amp;#39;s this, care of Joel Feinberg:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Suppose that you are on a backpacking trip in the high mountain country when an unanticipated blizzard strikes the area with such ferocity that your life is imperiled.&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Fortunately, you stumble upon an unoccupied cabin, locked and boarded up for the winter, clearly somebody else&amp;rsquo;s private property.&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;You smash in a window, enter, and huddle in a corner for three days until the storm abates.&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;During this period you help yourself to your unknown benefactor&amp;rsquo;s food supply and burn his wooden furniture in the fireplace to keep warm.&lt;span&gt; &lt;/span&gt;Surely you are justified in doing all these things, and yet you have infringed the clear rights of another person.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I agree that the hiker is justified in his actions. But as Judith Thomson points out, it seems true that in this case, the hiker would also be obligated to compensate the owner of the cabin for the damage. This is in line with a principle central to the doctrine of Strict Liability, called the Responsibility Principle. Talbot Paige phrased the principle like this: &amp;quot;When A&amp;#39;s actions impose costs on B, A should be made responsible, by paying those costs.&amp;quot; It sort of does seem like this is why the hiker should have to compensate the cabin owner. Even though the hiker didn&amp;#39;t do anything wrong, he still imposed a cost on the cabin owner, and he should have to pay that cost.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So it seems like I&amp;#39;m rejecting the &amp;quot;duty of care&amp;quot; standard. But on the other hand, I feel like there are some situations in which Strict Liability is, well, too strict. It seems to me that the concept of &lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;negligence&lt;/span&gt; (as distinct from something like &amp;quot;mere harming&amp;quot;) is not completely without value: I find it an attractive notion that in situations where a person does nothing wrong, they should not be subject to the coercive pressure of others (through being held to account for something by a court--here I obviously don&amp;#39;t mean &amp;quot;coercive&amp;quot; to imply that there&amp;#39;s anything objectionable about holding people accountable through courts).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I definitely need to think about this some more; any thoughts or suggestions would be very much appreciated! &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=37685" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Compensation" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Compensation/default.aspx" /></entry><entry><title>Generational Rights</title><link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/05/05/generational-rights.aspx" /><id>/Community/blogs/donny/archive/2008/05/05/generational-rights.aspx</id><published>2008-05-05T22:40:00Z</published><updated>2008-05-05T22:40:00Z</updated><content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;[Cross-posted on &lt;a target="_blank" href="http://libertarian-left.blogspot.com/"&gt;the parent blog&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;The conclusion that
we cannot infringe upon future people&amp;rsquo;s right by causing climate change may not
appeal to individuals who see injustice in the fact that by causing climate
change, the world we leave behind for future people could be substantially less
hospitable than it would have been if presently existing people had not caused
climate change.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;One might argue that
perhaps we do not infringe the rights of individual people by creating
dangerous or otherwise undesirable circumstances which are necessary conditions
for their existence, but we infringe the rights of &lt;i&gt;their generation&lt;/i&gt; by leaving behind a &amp;ldquo;spoiled&amp;rdquo; Earth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;The appeal of this
notion is in the fact that a generation is simply the group of people who come
into existence during a particular period of time, and there is no requirement
for who exactly those people are.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;So,
for example, we may say that a woman, Charlene, is a member of some generation
A.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;If Charlene&amp;rsquo;s mother had conceived a
child with a different man than Charlene&amp;rsquo;s father, Charlene would never have
existed.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But so long as the child was
conceived around the same time as Charlene was, that child would have also been
a member of generation A.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because the
identity of the generation does not depend on the identities of its members,
one might see an opportunity for getting around the Non-Identity Problem by
focusing on what happens to generations instead of individuals under different
policy choices.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;So do future
generations have a right to inherit an unspoiled Earth?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;For that matter, do future generations have
rights at all?&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;We may once again recall
that rights represent the respect to which we are due as individuals and as
ends-in-ourselves.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Because of the
inclusion of individuality as a part of our conception of rights, it might be
said that generations cannot possibly have rights, because they are not
individuals.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;But it seems reasonable to
say that to talk about respecting the individuality of a generation is only so
suggest that it should not be sacrificed for the interests of others&amp;mdash;namely,
other generations.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;One might point out
that other groups, like corporations or organized communities, can be seen as
&amp;ldquo;individuals&amp;rdquo; and &amp;ldquo;ends-in-themselves&amp;rdquo; in the sense that they are entities
which utilize means in the pursuit of their own distinct ends.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;These entities can be &amp;ldquo;benefited&amp;rdquo; and
&amp;ldquo;harmed&amp;rdquo; in a meaningful sense by impairing their ability to pursue their own
goods, and so it would not be &lt;i&gt;inconceivable&lt;/i&gt;
to suppose that these entities had rights of their own which were not simply
the sums of the rights of their members (whether they can truly be &lt;i&gt;disrespected&lt;/i&gt; is a separate and
controversial issue, which we will not address here).&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span&gt;It may be noted,
however, that generations do not seem to have an analogous &amp;ldquo;good of their own,&amp;rdquo;
and do not pursue their own distinct ends in any recognizable sense.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Any discussion of &amp;ldquo;the good of a generation&amp;rdquo;
seems like it could be nothing more than a vague statistical statement about
the good of its members.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Indeed, the
aforementioned groups can be seen as ends-in-themselves only through an
understanding of the way that they are &lt;i&gt;organized&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;In the way that a body is composed of organs
which have &lt;i&gt;functions&lt;/i&gt; in terms of the
good of the body, a corporation&amp;rsquo;s constituent parts are &lt;i&gt;organized&lt;/i&gt; to promote the ends of the corporation.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;The members of a generation, on the other
hand, have no identifiable function in terms of the good of the generation
itself.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Temporal coexistence does not
seem to illustrate the sort of &lt;i&gt;structure&lt;/i&gt;
which could make it meaningful to talk about a generation as an abstract entity
with a good of its own.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;And if a
generation does not have a good of its own, then it is difficult to imagine how
we could disrespect it.&lt;span&gt;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/span&gt;Accordingly, we
may conclude that generations cannot have rights, and so cannot have a right to
inherit an unspoiled Earth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img src="http://mises.org/Community/aggbug.aspx?PostID=30948" width="1" height="1"&gt;</content><author><name>Donny with an A</name><uri>http://mises.org/Community/members/Donny-with-an-A/default.aspx</uri></author><category term="Justice" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Justice/default.aspx" /><category term="Climate Change" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Climate+Change/default.aspx" /><category term="The Non-Identity Problem" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/The+Non-Identity+Problem/default.aspx" /><category term="Opportunity" scheme="http://mises.org/Community/blogs/donny/archive/tags/Opportunity/default.aspx" /></entry></feed>